Game Mechanics: spell gem refresh with instant clicky does not refresh all spell gems correctly

[Nirgon]

Very classic mechanic just want it in dont care about pros/cons

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very classic mechanic just want it in dont care about pros/cons

this - it currently only works with the top spell slot and tons of evidence supports that is how ALL the slots should function

so lets get the other 7 slots up to speed !

[SamwiseRed]

meh i dont play here for the mechanics. i play here because no boxing and populated classic game world. balancing and actually making the game challenging > classic. dont care. put it in.

[Grimjaw]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't you mean the other way around? Fix gem #1 so it doesn't defeat the spell recast vs. general cool down?

^ this.


nirgon got things so twisted in this thread. all clickys do is refresh GCD. slot 1 is currently bugged where it refreshes any cooldown (hence the "harvest" bug he mentions).

Lure of Ice has a 2.25 sec recast time which is longer than global cooldown.

It didn't hit the normal cooldowns. just the global between spells. it should allow you to cast lure of ice ,then instantly lure of something else, without waiting for the global cooldown.

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Otherwise what was the point of hitting the clicky to instantly recast/spam the same spell?

it never was about instantly recast/spam the same spell. just about instant chain-casting other spells without waiting for the GCD. in rare occasions some spells had zero recast time, and could be chained due to the GCD clicky trick. But not Lure of Ice which has a 2.25 sec recast.


anyway, it sounds like around pop era they made changes to GCD and maybe played around with recast times?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Grimjaw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ this.


nirgon got things so twisted in this thread. all clickys do is refresh GCD. slot 1 is currently bugged where it refreshes any cooldown (hence the "harvest" bug he mentions).

Lure of Ice has a 2.25 sec recast time which is longer than global cooldown.

It didn't hit the normal cooldowns. just the global between spells. it should allow you to cast lure of ice ,then instantly lure of something else, without waiting for the global cooldown.



it never was about instantly recast/spam the same spell. just about instant chain-casting other spells without waiting for the GCD. in rare occasions some spells had zero recast time, and could be chained due to the GCD clicky trick. But not Lure of Ice which has a 2.25 sec recast.


anyway, it sounds like around pop era they made changes to GCD and maybe played around with recast times?

This is pretty far off- clickies certainly will refresh the SAME spell if the spells cool down is less or equal to the spells cast time

so the clicky refreshing the icon isnt gonna do anything for spells like harvest or even teleport spells but a heal spell like Remedy or Sup heal...they have cooldown times of 2.25 seconds and cast times greater than the CD

so when u insta refresh a spell like that- then cast back to back- the cool down of the spell IS being met (remember cooldown has to b < cast time of spell) then wow it fires like Nirgon said....

pls fix for all spell slots-theres no bug here just broken spell gems not refreshing like the top one

the Game doesnt check if the cool down of spells is met til AFTER the spell is cast not to initialize the act of casting

thats why clickies to refresh n cast faster works- but the spells CD has to be less or equal to its cast time for the spell to fire properly

[Grimjaw]

got a link to the sontalak video?

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pretty far off- clickies certainly will refresh the SAME spell if the spells cool down is less or equal to the spells cast time

so the clicky refreshing the icon isnt gonna do anything for spells like harvest or even teleport spells but a heal spell like Remedy or Sup heal...they have cooldown times of 2.25 seconds and cast times greater than the CD

so when u insta refresh a spell like that- then cast back to back- the cool down of the spell IS being met (remember cooldown has to b < cast time of spell) then wow it fires like Nirgon said....

pls fix for all spell slots-theres no bug here just broken spell gems not refreshing like the top one

the Game doesnt check if the cool down of spells is met til AFTER the spell is cast not to initialize the act of casting

thats why clickies to refresh n cast faster works- but the spells CD has to be less or equal to its cast time for the spell to fire properly

so your suggesting that in classic, recast time started counting down at the START of the cast? not bloody likely... that would have made for some pretty interesting interrupt mechanics.

there was another mechanic at play but it wasnt this. we'll need to keep digging.

If Nirgon is correct about Lure of Ice, then my theory is that some pop-era changes put longer recast times on spells like that, making them not work the same as in original.

you guys are getting confused with the post-pop era changes that emplemented warning messages like "Spell recast time not yet met"

[SamwiseRed]

^is right. its not supposed to be used for the same spell. its only for GCD. like ice comet > clicky > other nuke will let you chain 2 nukes back to back. wtf is he trying to pull off here. cant believe i didnt read in between the lines. that is fucking hilarious if there is a bug to reduce harvest atm. talk about broken.

[Nirgon]

Watch the sontalak kill vid on YouTube

He hits his jboots and everything comes back at the same time

[Nirgon]

This old post

SoL's not dead...with a nice clicky stick you can chain them pretty fast, and they're quick enough to get off in those "swirling combat" situations. Damage on it sucks, but when you need to shut down a caster, well, that'll do the trick. Just hope you have enough mana.

You can flux to SoL faster. You have to leave a short pause before casting the SoL and it works just fine (otherwise you get the not recovered message). I do it all the time with a crystalized pumice on my 24 wizard

there u go. /threadskies, looks like it starts counting recast at the time of cast

[Grimjaw]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This old post





there u go. /threadskies, looks like it starts counting recast at the time of cast

nice find. according to that thread SoL never got resisted


oh and by the way... from your same proof thread:

http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthr...l=1#post131974

evantine, Lure of Ice changes pvp slightly I have heard.

SoL when they try to heal.

edit: oh, btw I was fighting a 52+ Wizard yesterday (I was 50) and we were both using SoL to interrupt each other's heavier nukes.. and SoL interrupted our nukes everytime. Great spell, so far in my Zek wizard's career it's perma memmed. I'd drop snare for Draught of Fire, and Ice Comet for Lure of Ice. SoL is just too useful.

oh and btw, you can't use flux staff to chain SoL faster.

my theory now is that this whole "spell recast time not yet met" mechanic was added around luclin 2001.

the post you quoted was from December 18th, 2001, right after Luclin launch

prove me wrong by showing "spell recast time not yet met" existed earlier. strange how it never existed in logs before then,