Petition: Guild raid suspensions should be progressively longer every time

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Basenji [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This really should be highlighted more. A relatively small group of people are monopolizing a major portion of the server's content. And they're doing it in a way that actively discourages me from wanting to participate.

I mostly want to raid to re-experience the raiding content, which is the point of this server as I understand it. I'd be happy to tag along without any chance at getting gear. But the current raid scene simply isn't classic. I stumbled on a Sev raid while running to CoM, so I decided to watch. The dragon died in like 15 seconds. There's just nothing to experience there for me. There never was anything new as I've raided all this content before, and in the current state there isn't even anything nostalgic. Plus, it seems like a lot of the people are dicks, given that they allow the training strats. It's just not worth it to run out there and watch a dragon die that fast, even if I were in on the loot. I can't be the only one here who feels like that.

A wipe would solve a lot of problems. The content would become available again. A lot of the dicks that like to monopolize content as a form of PVP would leave, because it wouldn't be easy for them anymore. And the server would a substantially more "classic" experience.

And if you're worried about the problem of an entire server population start over at level 1, don't. I can tell you that I dove in fully on the first EQ progression server. It was a blast. It's like traffic, people find other routes when their familiar one gets over-congested. You start leveling in places like Qeynos sewers, LFay, CT, Kedge, The Hole, etc. Porting becomes a valuable group asset. The most fun you can have in this game is with a dedicated leveling group where gear is statless, mobs are tough, and high level players are rare enough that you can't rely on finding one to bail you out.

Wipe wouldn't solve anything. All the people who monopolize the content would welcome a wipe so they can monopolize it all over again. The problem is limited content and a higher than normal amount of people who have no qualms about playing this game as a full time job.

Not to mention that this is a color by numbers server where it's known on how do get from point A to point C without the bother of stopping at point B. A wipe wouldn't make things any harder on the people who know all the tricks to bypass the grind. It was only a couple of days when the first level 50 showed up after the Red Server launch. This is why server firsts here don't mean much because it comes down to who can take a week off work when new content rolls out and gets lucky with latency in the race to the target.

[Nuggie]

You're putting words in my mouth Dald. No, I dont. I think people that want to play here should adhere to the rules of the server.

But as a root problem, I think the tactics being used should looked at first. Not the disciplinary actions.

So, why allow train pulling in the first place?

Do any of you remember when Conquest of Lanys got disbanded and several of their members banned for trying to use the bridges to block aoe's from the warders? The live CSR staff simply let it be known that the encounter wasn't designed for that type of tactic to be used. So don't do it.

If the train pulling is causing the problems then do not allow guilds to use it. Make them clear the mobs.

[Blaza]

Perma Root raid mobs. Trash can be trained around/out but would still require a raid force getting to mob location, which would at least involve the skill of dodging trains.

It is a top-heavy server, with some animosity between players, so shortcuts and "dirty" tactics (whether resulting in a raid suspension or not) are frequent. Also, people make mistakes. Past guild/player history should come into effect in determining a suspension, not a 'one size fits all' punishment.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Blaza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perma Root raid mobs. Trash can be trained around/out but would still require a raid force getting to mob location, which would at least involve the skill of dodging trains.

It is a top-heavy server, with some animosity between players, so shortcuts and "dirty" tactics (whether resulting in a raid suspension or not) are frequent. Also, people make mistakes. Past guild/player history should come into effect in determining a suspension, not a 'one size fits all' punishment.

Fuck it, root raid mobs and make it so 96% isn't the summon requirement, they can summon at 100%

[Doil_Boil]

Good to see some appeal to authority logical fallacies going down in this thread.

Carry on!

[Tayy]

How does a guild that brags about downing VP dragons in seconds insist that the only way to do VP is to train trash around until they can get the dragon they want and pull it.

On live my guild killed the trash and moved around killing the dragons in VP. It took longer, it had its hiccups but if you claim you have skill then lets see. TMO can go left, IB can go right and you should both be able to avoid one another.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Tayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does a guild that brags about downing VP dragons in seconds insist that the only way to do VP is to train trash around until they can get the dragon they want and pull it.

On live my guild killed the trash and moved around killing the dragons in VP. It took longer, it had its hiccups but if you claim you have skill then lets see. TMO can go left, IB can go right and you should both be able to avoid one another.

Have you led at least 300 VP raids? If not, then you aren't sufficiently experienced to have a valid opinion on this topic.

[Tayy]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you led at least 300 VP raids? If not, then you aren't sufficiently experienced to have a valid opinion on this topic.

I have been involved in numerous raids in VP on live yes. Next question?

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Tayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have been involved in numerous raids in VP on live yes. Next question?

I think he was being ironic because of Unbrella's remarks.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Tayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have been involved in numerous raids in VP on live yes. Next question?

300 raids in VP on P99 between the hours of 4am and 8am is the qualifier for having a valid opinion on this topic.