Petition: Guild raid suspensions should be progressively longer every time

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having an opinion on matter means that on some level you have a basic understanding of the subject material in which you base your opinion on. Having led a raid would be a good qualifier. Maybe even zoning into VP a single time would even be a good start before commenting on the manner in which the content is engaged.

You don't have to be a doctor to diagnose a sickness, you know that.

The TMO/IB raid strat is win/win. Either you get the kill or you've created such a shitshow train that it's likely to wipe the competition too so you get a 2nd bite.

[Triangle]

double post

[Triangle]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having an opinion on matter means that on some level you have a basic understanding of the subject material in which you base your opinion on. Having led a raid would be a good qualifier. Maybe even zoning into VP a single time would even be a good start before commenting on the manner in which the content is engaged.

Pretty sure Orruar was the raid leader of Triality way back in Classic EQ...

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella

Have you ever led a raid?

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having an opinion on matter means that on some level you have a basic understanding of the subject material in which you base your opinion on. Having led a raid would be a good qualifier. Maybe even zoning into VP a single time would even be a good start before commenting on the manner in which the content is engaged.

Forumquest tip: If you are going to move the goalposts, put at least 3-4 filler replies in between so it's harder to recognize. When you start backpedaling so quickly, it's too obvious.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you ever led a raid?

Yes; In basically every expansion, from classic - VoA. From classic PoFear clears to the most complex raids EQ has to offer.

I understand why it is the prevailing strategy among guilds who contest CT/Inny/VP. If you can't kite, you are going to be forced to clear some amount of trash. And on this server that translates to "Who is going to get occupied with trash so that we can leap frog them". Clear too little trash and train around, you will face your 2 week suspension. Clear too much and the next guild will leapfrog you. Its just going to be a new test of "when can we go, reasonably handle the mobs we have and kill the boss".

You will just want to be more conservative about when you go. Due to this there will be less WTF trains and less petitions because people actually FEAR the punishment. The current punishments though are less than a slap on the wrist. 5 Day suspension when nothing is in window? 1 Week off a SINGLE mob? People scoff at these for a reason.

I just can't fathom how people think that the current punishments for herp-derp trains that wipe other's guilds, or prevent other guilds from making attempts at mobs are acceptable or enough to discourage rulebreaking or sloppy decision making.

[quido]

or maybe you dipshits should abolish the rules and let blue return to a game of moderate skill instead of extreme petitionquest

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or maybe you dipshits should abolish the rules and let blue return to a game of moderate skill instead of extreme petitionquest

Got any Larrikan's masks for sale?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or maybe... The pulls people do are so ridiculous that there are so many things which could possibly go wrong and result in training the other guild(s) present that *MAYBE* we shouldn't try those tactics. *MAYBE* training the entire zone spawn in Hate, Fear, VP, Naggys Lair, Permafrost... Is something that should have high risk associated with it, not simply shrugged off as "it is the way those encounters are".

Make someone wiping you with their botched train in Hate or Fear or on classic Dragons a 4 week suspension. You will see guilds be a lot more careful or come up with a new strategy real quick.

Would love to see some classic crawls, not herpderp trains.

This right here. Back on live we got along with other guilds because we knew if we had the GMs come in, nobody would be happy. The staff here should have been handing down bans/suspensions like candy years ago and that would have forced people to play nice and learn to get along.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or maybe... The pulls people do are so ridiculous that there are so many things which could possibly go wrong and result in training the other guild(s) present that *MAYBE* we shouldn't try those tactics. *MAYBE* training the entire zone spawn in Hate, Fear, VP, Naggys Lair, Permafrost... Is something that should have high risk associated with it, not simply shrugged off as "it is the way those encounters are".

Make someone wiping you with their botched train in Hate or Fear or on classic Dragons a 4 week suspension. You will see guilds be a lot more careful or come up with a new strategy real quick.

Would love to see some classic crawls, not herpderp trains.

For VP, trains are currently the most workable standard with the highest expected payoff. The only other standard that would require less intervention by the staff would be a return to a completely FFA VP which many in Class C would welcome. Forcing some kind of classic standard on VP kills would result in way more headache and non-classic coding.

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

guilds would be punished/rewarded more for being suspended/getting their competition suspended, making rule lawyering much more important to a guilds overall success.

Excellent point. Any rules suggestions must be constructed to eliminate or reduce the incentive to play lawyerquest.

[Paleman]

fuck that, i like the 2 strike method.

fuck up once, get a warning. fuck up the same way again and get banned.