Petition: Guild raid suspensions should be progressively longer every time

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by toolshed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I doubt that TMO and IB are having their brand new members pull mobs to their raids.

You'd be surprised. A good amount of these infractions are the result of exactly this.

One interesting fact is that guilds have, several times over the years, been disciplined over inexperienced puller error only for that player to deguild within minutes and join the competition as a "reward" for the error with no punishment following the erring player.

[HallyVee]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not only that, but this change would result in rule lawyering becoming more important as guilds try to get out of suspensions and get their competition suspended.

I can't speak to the rest of your argument but this part is like saying we shouldn't criminalize bank robbing because the bank robbers would then have incentive to rob banks to pay for their lawyers, who defend them from bank robbing charges.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Sirken should just host a weekly Judge Judy-esque public trial on Twitch to go over the presented evidence, determine guilt, and dish out the sentence. I would watch that.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by HallyVee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't speak to the rest of your argument but this part is like saying we shouldn't criminalize bank robbing because the bank robbers would then have incentive to rob banks to pay for their lawyers, who defend them from bank robbing charges.

Congratulations! You have attained a full and complete understanding of the p99 raid scene and the means used to regulate it.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by HallyVee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't speak to the rest of your argument but this part is like saying we shouldn't criminalize bank robbing because the bank robbers would then have incentive to rob banks to pay for their lawyers, who defend them from bank robbing charges.

Not entirely. Increasing the penalties will incentivize further abuse of the process unless it is severely refined.

Class C currently has an ultimatum to "work out minor problems." A good portion of these are indeed worked out internally, but only because the "reward" for petitioning is minor in comparison. As the damage to your competition increases, the incentive to petition, no matter the cause, rises as well.

Currently, a petition risks annoying the GMs. It's often not worth it for minor offenses because it'll maybe result in a mob or two. However, when your competition would be banned for several weeks at a time, it becomes extremely worth it to manufacture and fabricate offenses. It's been done before, and it will most certainly be incentivized under the proposed system unless there are serious changes in the petition process.

[toolshed]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah

Could you (or TMO in general) please elaborate on why you think this would be a bad policy going forward?

[azeth]

How about 1 random BIS item deleted off a random guild member per infraction [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Connecticut]

The real question is, why even make a guild to raid?

With voice chat, batphones and forums there are more than enough communication tools available to not be affiliated with a guild tag, but still raid as a unit.

It would also bypass raid classes and restrictions currently in place for guilds.



You think you hate <guild X> now, just wait till they can't be punished as a whole!
I smell big things to come on the p99 underground raiding scene. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[moss_snake_shadowknight]

BDA work within the rules, so it would mean more pixels for sure.

Spoon it up.

[quido]

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