the server, loot and the way things are

[Trimm]

Originally Posted by Matrim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "big three" have invited enough people to completely trivialize the content to the point where it doesn't matter how badly individuals perform because your numbers will always overwhelm the mob. If that's the model this server requires to 'give you competition'..well, I personally find that extremely unappealing.

I hope you aren't including Divinity in this, because I actually agree with you. With the current state of the server and raiding, skill and personal performance falls behind sheer numbers. It hasn't always been this way, but it seems more and more that's how things have become.

I don't think its a secret that we have become less active in the God/Dragon races in the past month. We have jobs and families and can't log on 50 people at 9am to down Vox or CT. If your guild can, then go for it, it's not a knock on anyone. We have done our share of dragon racing, and now we're more focused on Sky for the time being. Ask anyone who has killed the Spiroc Lord with less than 40... It's an incredible encounter.

[girth]

Originally Posted by Trimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope you aren't including Divinity in this, because I actually agree with you. With the current state of the server and raiding, skill and personal performance falls behind sheer numbers. It hasn't always been this way, but it seems more and more that's how things have become.

I don't think its a secret that we have become less active in the God/Dragon races in the past month. We have jobs and families and can't log on 50 people at 9am to down Vox or CT. If your guild can, then go for it, it's not a knock on anyone. We have done our share of dragon racing, and now we're more focused on Sky for the time being. Ask anyone who has killed the Spiroc Lord with less than 40... It's an incredible encounter.

That it is. I wish more people could have seen his buffed version, now that was just ridiculous.

[Molitoth]

Blackwater broke a full fear spawn with exactly 11 people this week - flawlessly. DA wiped with 50 last week. The "big three" may be getting God loot, but I'm definitely enjoying the game more in Blackwater.

I'm a fan of Blackwater, and appreciate what they do. Its the same thing Eminence was doing before the DA merge. (Eminence broke fear with 9 members flawlessly I may add)

Divinity witnessed us (Eminence) almost take Innoruuk with 15 at 9am one morning and if we would've had another attempt at it, he would've died. Things can be done with the right classes, and enough time to get setup.

This game is the most fun when things are challenging. That said... there is so much competition on this server for mobs that trying to kill a dragon with 15 people isn't going to happen when the powerguilds show up in force within 10 minutes. Eminence was sick of doing simple fear/hate and had to go with the "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality.

If you want to experience end game kills/loot, I'm sorry but this is the way it is. You think Kunark is going to help??? probably not.. you will still see the top 2-3 guilds holding down every boss mob in game, thats just how dedicated people are on this server, they have been waiting YEARS for eqclassic.

[Stefen]

No offense, Molitoth, but everything you just said can be summed up in three words - "We sold out".

You accept that this server will never have a healthy raid environment while guilds are zerg recruiting. Instead of working on a solution, you sacrificed your ideal play style to help perpetuate the problem.

If you enjoy a challenge, tell me, what exactly is the appeal of raiding with DA? 50+ people wiping to content that three groups can do, and now you've been exposed as using illegal third party programs to facilitate your mobilization. Is saying you've killed nagafen under those circumstance really something you'd want to celebrate?

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Stefen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is saying you've killed nagafen under those circumstance really something you'd want to celebrate?

Everytime I kill a raid mob in Everquest I celebrate by running around my house fist pumping for 20 minutes.

[Molitoth]

If this turns into a flamewar, i will simply stop posting here, but I will have general conversation if this stays civil.

Originally Posted by Stefen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No offense, Molitoth, but everything you just said can be summed up in three words - "We sold out".

Yes we did, and it was the best decision we could've made. We've been having fun killing end game dragons for months now, instead of stuck in the same hate/fear grinds a lot of guilds are. Continued....

You accept that this server will never have a healthy raid environment while guilds are zerg recruiting. Instead of working on a solution, you sacrificed your ideal play style to help perpetuate the problem.

There were many solutions discussed on these forums over the past year, all getting shot down and made fun of. Personally I think the best solution would be instanced planes. This gives any raid force a chance at raiding when they want to. Is it "carebear"? yes. Is it classic? no. But would it solve the problem? yes.
We have 50% of the people bitching that they can never raid anything due to the powerguilds and then you have 50% of the people saying that they enjoy the "race" or "competition" for a target. These GM's cannot please everyone, and when everyone is already torn in half, this doesn't leave much room for them to put in a solution. Instances are not going to happen.
Rotation will bore the shit out of most IB/DA/Divinty members and you're going to get a bunch of members quitting left and right. You know how long a rotation would be on this server? You can make a guild of 20 people and kill anything outside of Plane of Sky.

If you enjoy a challenge, tell me, what exactly is the appeal of raiding with DA? 50+ people wiping to content that three groups can do, and now you've been exposed as using illegal third party programs to facilitate your mobilization. Is saying you've killed nagafen under those circumstance really something you'd want to celebrate?

You have to understand that DA and IB's goals are to kill shit. People join these guilds because they get sick of clearing fear and hate trash over and over again. If these people don't go to DA, then they go to IB... and vice versa. DA could close recruitment, and turn everyone away that applies, but what will happen is all of the people will go to IB and eventually we will have burnout with people quitting and find ourselves without the members to compete with IB for boss kills. Is it more fun to kill bosses with less people? yes. You have to remember this game came out in 1999. Nothing is new here. I enjoy DA because of the hilarious people in the guild, and the mentality we go by. DA really isn't as bad as some people say they are. We get a bad rep because we kill all the bosses and have great mobilization. Haters are gonna hate. Does it have an unknown bad seed or two? yes, just like any guild, and trust us... this hurts us more than it helps us.

As expected, we know that what the cheater in our guild did is going to hurt our reputation as a whole and that is why we want no part in cheating. We are glad he is banned, and are glad that the GM's are taking action, because this was not just taking place in DA. It's taking place around the server, and it needs to stop. It's a shot to the face against all the trackers who actually sit there and mash thier track button like total losers.

Anyway, there is my take.

[baub]

Originally Posted by Molitoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they have been waiting YEARS for eqclassic.

^

[jeffd]

Originally Posted by Molitoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eminence couldn't compete and sold out.

yeah.

[corradojeff]

I am neither for or against this thread at this point in my EQ playing career but I do see one point that may have been pver looked:

If the "Big three" decide to lock out all other guilds then eventually people will leave the game and the forum. This will cause the server to lose money and if the players of the "big three" can't pony up enough money every month the server will shut down.

[hedbonker]

Originally Posted by corradojeff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am neither for or against this thread at this point in my EQ playing career but I do see one point that may have been pver looked:

If the "Big three" decide to lock out all other guilds then eventually people will leave the game and the forum. This will cause the server to lose money and if the players of the "big three" can't pony up enough money every month the server will shut down.

Not gonna happen...