What attitudes and philosophies do you hate in P1999?

[Kreylyn]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don't want to go into it, but no.

Player 1 auctions, WTS HBC 3k
Player 2 auctions, WTS HBC 2.9k
Player 1 auctions, WTS HBC 2.8k!!!

this is what i'm talking about. If you are someone who sells something at a set price constantly putting your auctions in your price is a deathknell to your margins because the secondary market will come in and undercut you publically all the time. Since we track auctions here this results in people wanting the secondary market prices on your goods, which makes it not worthwhile.

Furthermore people like the tunnel because they like to haggle and feel like they win. If you put your actual price for an item in the auction you're just a plain idiot. The ratio of people giving me my asking price versus trying to haggle me down is on the upside of 10:1.

Again, people do different things for different reasons. But, if you think that putting your price in an auction is going to sell something QUICKER, you're just wrong.

The simple answer is buy out your secondary market and there for remove your competition in prices. Resell (since your clearly saying they are selling under your price) for a profit.

They move the items quickly which is WHY they are pricing them under you, You get to regulate the prices by simple supply/demand, AND you make a profit off every sell that way.


Krey-

[Paleman]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really don't want to go into it, but no.

Player 1 auctions, WTS HBC 3k
Player 2 auctions, WTS HBC 2.9k
Player 1 auctions, WTS HBC 2.8k!!!

this is what i'm talking about. If you are someone who sells something at a set price constantly putting your auctions in your price is a deathknell to your margins because the secondary market will come in and undercut you publically all the time. Since we track auctions here this results in people wanting the secondary market prices on your goods, which makes it not worthwhile.

Furthermore people like the tunnel because they like to haggle and feel like they win. If you put your actual price for an item in the auction you're just a plain idiot. The ratio of people giving me my asking price versus trying to haggle me down is on the upside of 10:1.

Again, people do different things for different reasons. But, if you think that putting your price in an auction is going to sell something QUICKER, you're just wrong.

I always sell shit faster when I put a price in it. When I dont put a price in I get tells like "how much are you selling it for?" or "how much is that item worth?" or people just look at p99 wiki and undercut that anyhow. Its all just pointless conversation that isnt even related to haggling, and it turns me into a person doing a fucking Q&A over a video game item, no thank you.

so I dont waste my time or others by putting the price I am trying to get for the item I am selling.

haggling is a negotiation, and from the sellers point of view its better to start that negotiation by stating your terms as clear as possible and as soon as possible.

also dont worry too much about any in game economy, its ultimately irrelevant. The only thing going for eqs economy is that it is player driven. Can you think of any in game economy that was stable? I cant because in the end this shit isnt real and you can always pick the option of not really caring.

also I for sure sell things faster when I dictate the price I am looking for. Some people that play mmos especially are so damn passive aggressive they need some sort of indication of what you are looking for in terms of price, so doing that always gets me more offers than not saying my price.

[Cecily]

I'm not your guy, bro.

[Swish]

It depends what you're putting up. If it's a JBB/hiero/fungi etc I'd expect the tunnel fat cats to jump on that kind of thing as its worth their while making a few k trying to flip it.

Listed a JBB at 22k last week and managed to get an offer of 21k which I was okay with. I feel like if I hadn't put a price next to it I'd have had fat cats offering ~18k

[Swish]

The attitude of "if I spam my auction 2-3 times in quick succession it's more likely to sell", or in ooc/shout [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Buellen]

since said people who don't understand server goals will prob not read my wall of text.

read my signature under my character names.

[Briscoe]

I'm just waiting for Juevento to post his CV...

[Hetjan]

Nilbog lies.

"
Nilbog:

" I'll keep making classic changes when I can, regardless if people threaten to quit. I'm here to recreate classic eq; not to make people happy."

"

But recreation of classic is making me happy. Thanks!

Thing that makes me most annoyed is folks who can't appreciate this enough to STFU when they feel like whining. Go away.

[Xer0]

Originally Posted by Hetjan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nilbog lies.

"
Nilbog:

" I'll keep making classic changes when I can, regardless if people threaten to quit. I'm here to recreate classic eq; not to make people happy."

"

But recreation of classic is making me happy. Thanks!

Thing that makes me most annoyed is folks who can't appreciate this enough to STFU when they feel like whining. Go away.

The thing that annoys me most is people crying about people simply expressing their opinion in a thread that asked for it.

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Posts like this just illustrate what is meant by 'difficulty' or 'challenging' is completely missed by those who post them. No, maps did not make it easier to kill Nagafen for a raid already there. But without them, you can sure tell the difference between a player who knew SolB from one who didn't, couldn't you? The one who did was buffing people at giants while rogues drag the one who didn't from where they died to bats.

And that's what is being referred to. Things that allowed players to be differentiated from each other by their playing abilities, and that didn't just mean how much dps they did.

There WERE things that were pointless and safely removable without worry - spellbook meditation, for instance. But for the most part, convenience things that removed the need for players to become better players are not here and never will be here, and that's good. EQ was never about players who thought "being a perpetual noob" was a badge of honor. Classic EQ rewarded those who made an effort more than those who didn't, and that's what we want to maintain.

So basically removing the map allows you to more effectively be an an exclusionary elitest? That's the only benefit I can see from being able to tell who knows the layout of the area anymore. And how would using in game maps prevent a person from becoming a better player or from learning the areas any more than wiki maps do?

Also I am not saying I'm a perpetual newb and touting it as a badge of honor,I'm just being honest; I've never,not even in my years of live (late velious - gates of discord or Ldon, forget) made it to sixty and I am perpetually relearning the game.

Actually perhaps I should wear it as a badge of honor, means I haven't beens pending the last 20 years playing the same game [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Buellen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

since said people who don't understand server goals will prob not read my wall of text.

read my signature under my character names.

qq we've read it all before doesn't mean we have to agree that adding maps = making eq easy. That was just one of the changes that came along with the changes that ruiend the game for you apparent oldschool hardcores, and you get butthurt at anything that resembles Luclin and beyond, regardless as to whether or not it's what actually ruined the game (it didn't)

[planeofdreams]

Originally Posted by Xer0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So basically removing the map allows you to more effectively be an an exclusionary elitest?

Haha, come on man. Horse is dead, stop kicking it.