Question for GMs: Forward LNS

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In case you are too illiterate to get through the entire LNS sticky here is the pertinent part:



So, unless you fought them in Fear and Feerrott both, you cannot lock them out of Fear.

That sentence doesn't really address the situation, which is why the post was made. Then someone posted a screenshot of people in a zone that added nothing.

When it is guild vs guild and a raid target is in question and someone calls LnS it needs to be more clear on how it would be handled.

If two guilds are going for trak and the big battle goes on in TT and one guild calls LnS they shouldn't be aloud to med up and then go back and attack the other guild while engaging Trak in Seb.

That obviously isn't the intent of LnS rules and it would be a bitch move if a guild used the LnS to do this.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That sentence doesn't really address the situation, which is why the post was made. Then someone posted a screenshot of people in a zone that added nothing.

When it is guild vs guild and a raid target is in question and someone calls LnS it needs to be more clear on how it would be handled.

If two guilds are going for trak and the big battle goes on in TT and one guild calls LnS they shouldn't be aloud to med up and then go back and attack the other guild while engaging Trak in Seb.

That obviously isn't the intent of LnS rules and it would be a bitch move if a guild used the LnS to do this.

holocaust couldn't contest fear hence it was not contested.

[Widan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When it is guild vs guild and a raid target is in question and someone calls LnS it needs to be more clear on how it would be handled.

It cannot be made any clearer than it already is. If you lack reading comprehension that's your issue.

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If two guilds are going for trak and the big battle goes on in TT and one guild calls LnS they shouldn't be aloud to med up and then go back and attack the other guild while engaging Trak in Seb.

Why shouldn't they? What if pvp goes on in Erudin then one guild calls LNS and the other one ports up to Sky? Should the guild on LNS not be allowed to port up to Sky and fight them there afterwards?

If you want to lock out a group from a zone through pvp then you need to fight them in that zone, not in a zone nearby.

[lite]

Weird, read Sirken's reply and I read nothing about how you have to let your enemy loot and scoot, unless they are zoning to PoFear.

[Pikrib]

Originally Posted by Samhain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An incident occurred last night that requires some lawyerquesting. Holocaust/Fresh were operating a PVP block in Feerrot from a force in Fear. A player on LNS was allowed to loot their corpse and then immediately ninja ran into Fear.

I understand that in the past LNS in Skyfire did not allow you to LNS into VP. I believe it would fall under this statute:


Could we please get a clarification on forward progress in force PVP?

The guy calling LnS from feerot last night would have to be considered calling Force LnS because the fight involved more than 7 people on both sides the fight happened across multiple zones. He can't call LnS as an individual it has to be his whole "Force".

After the person called LnS (You don't have to say "Force") and loots his corpse + leaves affected zones. Azrael+supporting guilds are locked out of anywhere the fight was taking place CT, Feerot, SK, NK, RM and Lake Rathe for 1 hour.

The guy calling LnS from Feerot can zone into Fear if it was "Force" LnS.

Thats all I got boys. Rules should probably say the word "Force" is required.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy calling LnS from feerot last night would have to be considered calling Force LnS because the fight involved more than 7 people on both sides the fight happened across multiple zones. He can't call LnS as an individual it has to be his whole "Force".

After the person called LnS (You don't have to say "Force") and loots his corpse + leaves affected zones. Azrael+supporting guilds are locked out of anywhere the fight was taking place CT, Feerot, SK, NK, RM and Lake Rathe for 1 hour.

The guy calling LnS from Feerot can zone into Fear if it was "Force" LnS.

Thats all I got boys. Rules should probably say the word "Force" is required.

false at no time did we have 7 or more players in feerott.

[Pikrib]

Originally Posted by MavstabYoudead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

false at no time did we have 7 or more players in feerott.

In large scale PvP (7 or more players on both sides), LnS must be called by a force as a whole. Individuals may not invoke Loot and Scoot. LnS may be called by the force at any time, this option may never be forfeited. If a fight took place across multiple zones, the force is considered to have finished LnS'ing once all of their players have left the zones affected. All other LnS rules still apply.

If you have 3 players in CT, 3 in Feerot and 1 in RM it is still "Force" LnS.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have 3 players in CT, 3 in Feerot and 1 in RM it is still "Force" LnS.

did pvp occur in all those zones? also was holocaust contesting PoF while raid suspended?

seemed pretty "safe" in PoF Nakor.

[krazyGlue]

Originally Posted by Pikrib [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy calling LnS from feerot last night would have to be considered calling Force LnS because the fight involved more than 7 people on both sides the fight happened across multiple zones. He can't call LnS as an individual it has to be his whole "Force".

After the person called LnS (You don't have to say "Force") and loots his corpse + leaves affected zones. Azrael+supporting guilds are locked out of anywhere the fight was taking place CT, Feerot, SK, NK, RM and Lake Rathe for 1 hour.

The guy calling LnS from Feerot can zone into Fear if it was "Force" LnS.

Thats all I got boys. Rules should probably say the word "Force" is required.

At no point in time did azrael have more then 5 in the Zone/ feerrot

[Pikrib]

Originally Posted by krazyGlue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At no point in time did azrael have more then 5 in the Zone/ feerrot

LnS rules don't say that your force has to be all in the same zone at the same time.

Read it again. Get back to me.

"In large scale PvP (7 or more players on both sides), LnS must be called by a force as a whole. Individuals may not invoke Loot and Scoot. LnS may be called by the force at any time, this option may never be forfeited. If a fight took place across multiple zones, the force is considered to have finished LnS'ing once all of their players have left the zones affected. All other LnS rules still apply."