Feminism today

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its because the war is won

So men and women get paid the same now? They can both participate in all branches of the military? Both get equal paternity/maternity leave? And they both get raped at the same rate?

C'mon, women may have gotten equality on stuff like the right to vote, but they are far from equal in our society. And that's where some of that newer feminist stuff comes in.

Want women to get raped less? Then they need to be just as dominant as men, which means letting little girls get to play with GI Joes (or making Barbies that kick ass). Or having video game where the protagonist isn't male and isn't just a sex symbol for male players.

Until little girls stop learning to be quiet, submissive, and worry about clothes like Barbie, how can they possibly be equal to the little boys who are taught to be aggressive and take what they want?

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until little girls stop learning to be quiet, submissive, and worry about clothes like Barbie, how can they possibly be equal to the little boys who are taught to be aggressive and take what they want?

Where are you finding the women who were taught this? I'm 31 and it doesn't describe any female that I've known. And yeah yeah, elf sim, but I've known a lot.

[Tulnavara]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until little girls stop learning to be quiet, submissive, and worry about clothes like Barbie, how can they possibly be equal to the little boys who are taught to be aggressive and take what they want?

The number of young women who are like this is less than the beta white knights who think they have to defend "womyn"

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So men and women get paid the same now? They can both participate in all branches of the military? Both get equal paternity/maternity leave? And they both get raped at the same rate?

C'mon, women may have gotten equality on stuff like the right to vote, but they are far from equal in our society. And that's where some of that newer feminist stuff comes in.

Want women to get raped less? Then they need to be just as dominant as men, which means letting little girls get to play with GI Joes (or making Barbies that kick ass). Or having video game where the protagonist isn't male and isn't just a sex symbol for male players.

Until little girls stop learning to be quiet, submissive, and worry about clothes like Barbie, how can they possibly be equal to the little boys who are taught to be aggressive and take what they want?

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So men and women get paid the same now? They can both participate in all branches of the military? Both get equal paternity/maternity leave? And they both get raped at the same rate?

C'mon, women may have gotten equality on stuff like the right to vote, but they are far from equal in our society. And that's where some of that newer feminist stuff comes in.

Want women to get raped less? Then they need to be just as dominant as men, which means letting little girls get to play with GI Joes (or making Barbies that kick ass). Or having video game where the protagonist isn't male and isn't just a sex symbol for male players.

Until little girls stop learning to be quiet, submissive, and worry about clothes like Barbie, how can they possibly be equal to the little boys who are taught to be aggressive and take what they want?

Let me start by saying that I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, because people have said more ridiculous things in all seriousness.


Men and women get paid the same under the same circumstances. The numbers youre looking at are taking into account the average pay by gender but the flaw lies in the fact that they take into account the entire population for each gender based on the census. More women choose to stay at home to be moms or simply dont have to work, and if youve ever been to school you;d know that throwing a 0 into the numbers used for an average will drop it noticeably.


Yes men and women can both join any branch of the military, as there isnt any gender discrimination there either. Although men are required to sign up for the draft in order to get things like the right to vote, a driver's license, mail, social security ect whereas women are given these things without any sort of participation in selective services.


Rape is personal. Rape isn't a systemic thing, therefor it isn't "oppression" or "inequality". It's a terrible thing -there's no question about that- but the government doesnt mandate or sanction rape or impose the threat of it by any law. Rape is a people issue, not just a women's issue. It has always happened, it always will happen. I can't think of a single mammalian species where rape doesnt occur. It's one of those ugly parts of nature, though that doesn't mean it should happen. There are plenty of stupid people out there and theyre breeding at an alarming rate. Perhaps there's something that you as a feminist could do to decrease the instances of rape. No, put down your picket sign that says "if youre a man youre a rapist" and go get a concealed carry permit. Learn to use a gun. On the off chance that you ever happen to meet a rapist actively trying to rape you, blow a hole through him. It's kind of hard to maintain an erection when you're bleeding to death. Blood pressure, you see..


Yes, you can vote. You have the option to go to whichever school you want (and are accepted to which is based on your GPA, not your DNA). You can pursue whichever career you so choose and are qualified for. How exactly are you unequal in society? Even laws are tipped in your favor.



Lol if little girls want to play with G.I. Joes, good for them. Don't forget about natural instinct and the inherit gender roles they steer one gender or another towards. Little girls are naturally inclined to be more interested in that doll than that toy sword. That's not to say that the opposite preference doesn't happen. It does, but much less frequently than the former. Playing with barbies or legos isn't going to make you any more or less susceptible to rape. That's ridiculous. As for female video game protagonists? Really?.. It's a vastly male market (which is just beginning to really change) and -going back to that natural instinct stuff- sex sells. The one point to even existing is to mate to sustain whichever species you're part of. Humans are hard-wired to want to mate. But what about the societal pressure on men to look a certain way? Should I blame weight lifting and hygiene on the matriarchy?





Little boys aren't taught to be aggressive and take what they want, and if you have kids, i certainly hope you dont rear yours that way. Little boys are taught "ladies first". Little girls are more often pampered, so talk to their parents not the "patriarchy". And again going back to that pesky nature thing, self adornment. Both genders have been doing it since we first realized that clean clothes and shiny shit here and there looked good. Women especially are inclined to this sort of behavior. Self adornment is a way of increasing one's chances of finding a mate, whether it's to maybe hide some of your less than desirable genetic traits, or simply accentuate your good ones.



You arent mad at men or the government, your beef is with nature. (And there's nothing wrong with being a woman, so quit feeling so insecure)




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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me start by saying that I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, because people have said more ridiculous things in all seriousness.

I'm serious, no trolling here.

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Men and women get paid the same under the same circumstances. The numbers youre looking at are taking into account the average pay by gender but the flaw lies in the fact that they take into account the entire population for each gender based on the census. More women choose to stay at home to be moms or simply dont have to work, and if youve ever been to school you;d know that throwing a 0 into the numbers used for an average will drop it noticeably.

So your argument is that the entirety of the wage gap between men and women can be explained by women being stay at home moms?

A 2010 study by Catalyst, a nonprofit that works to expand opportunities for women in business, of male and female MBA graduates found that after controlling for career aspirations, parental status, years of experience, industry, and other variables, male graduates are more likely to be assigned jobs of higher rank and responsibility and earn, on average, $4,600 more than women in their first post-MBA jobs.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2..._United_States

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes men and women can both join any branch of the military, as there isnt any gender discrimination there either. Although men are required to sign up for the draft in order to get things like the right to vote, a driver's license, mail, social security ect whereas women are given these things without any sort of participation in selective services.

I misspoke (sorry, not a military person): instead of "branch" I meant "division" or "unit" or something. But women definitely can NOT do everything men can in the military:

ARMY SPECIAL FORCES QUALIFICATIONS
To become part of the Army's Green Berets, you need to be mentally and physically tough, endure difficult training and face challenges head-on. In addition, to qualify for the Special Forces contract you must meet the following criteria:
Be a male, age 20-30 (Special Forces positions are not open to women)

http://www.military.com/special-oper...al-forces.html

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rape is personal. Rape isn't a systemic thing, therefor it isn't "oppression" or "inequality".

So what if there was a mass clown-raping spree, and suddenly anyone with a red nose had to live in far more fear of being raped than everyone else; would it just be a "personal" issue for those clowns, or would it be a systemic clown problem?

EVERY woman is affected by rape, even if they are never themselves raped, because they have to live in fear of it. They are taught not to be alone at night, not to let themselves be alone with men, etc. It's like when police murder black people: they don't have to murder every black person to make black people start fearing the police.

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It has always happened, it always will happen. I can't think of a single mammalian species where rape doesnt occur. It's one of those ugly parts of nature, though that doesn't mean it should happen.

And yet in societies where women are more equal the rape rate goes down, and in societies where women are less equal it goes up. Maybe it's NOT just an inherent, unavoidable thing, maybe it has to do with our societal gender roles.

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol if little girls want to play with G.I. Joes, good for them. Don't forget about natural instinct and the inherit gender roles they steer one gender or another towards. Little girls are naturally inclined to be more interested in that doll than that toy sword.

How many barbies did you play with as a child? Children are socialized in to their gender roles from a very early age: if you track babies eye movements, you will find they pay more attention to men in women's clothing or vice versa, because before they can even speak they've already learned gender roles.

I promise you, there was nothing out on the savanah when we were evolving that looked like GI Joe or Barbie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Playing with barbies or legos isn't going to make you any more or less susceptible to rape. That's ridiculous. As for female video game protagonists?

So you don't think little girls practicing child rearing, dress up, baking, etc. while little boys practicing war, robots, etc. is going to have any effect whatsoever on how those two kids grow up? Really?

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Little boys aren't taught to be aggressive and take what they want,

Then why do so many of them commit rape? There was a recent study done that asked "if you knew you would never get caught", would you A) "rape", and B) force a woman to have sex with you. Something like a third of the men answered yes to B), so clearly we as a society are teaching them something.

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm serious, no trolling here.



So your argument is that the entirety of the wage gap between men and women can be explained by women being stay at home moms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2..._United_States




I misspoke (sorry, not a military person): instead of "branch" I meant "division" or "unit" or something. But women definitely can NOT do everything men can in the military:

http://www.military.com/special-oper...al-forces.html



So what if there was a mass clown-raping spree, and suddenly anyone with a red nose had to live in far more fear of being raped than everyone else; would it just be a "personal" issue for those clowns, or would it be a systemic clown problem?

EVERY woman is affected by rape, even if they are never themselves raped, because they have to live in fear of it. They are taught not to be alone at night, not to let themselves be alone with men, etc. It's like when police murder black people: they don't have to murder every black person to make black people start fearing the police.


And yet in societies where women are more equal the rape rate goes down, and in societies where women are less equal it goes up. Maybe it's NOT just an inherent, unavoidable thing, maybe it has to do with our societal gender roles.


How many barbies did you play with as a child? Children are socialized in to their gender roles from a very early age: if you track babies eye movements, you will find they pay more attention to men in women's clothing or vice versa, because before they can even speak they've already learned gender roles.

I promise you, there was nothing out on the savanah when we were evolving that looked like GI Joe or Barbie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



So you don't think little girls practicing child rearing, dress up, baking, etc. while little boys practicing war, robots, etc. is going to have any effect whatsoever on how those two kids grow up? Really?


Then why do so many of them commit rape? There was a recent study done that asked "if you knew you would never get caught", would you A) "rape", and B) force a woman to have sex with you. Something like a third of the men answered yes to B), so clearly we as a society are teaching them something.

Do you blame men for you being wrong?

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm serious, no trolling here.



So your argument is that the entirety of the wage gap between men and women can be explained by women being stay at home moms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2..._United_States




I misspoke (sorry, not a military person): instead of "branch" I meant "division" or "unit" or something. But women definitely can NOT do everything men can in the military:

http://www.military.com/special-oper...al-forces.html



So what if there was a mass clown-raping spree, and suddenly anyone with a red nose had to live in far more fear of being raped than everyone else; would it just be a "personal" issue for those clowns, or would it be a systemic clown problem?

EVERY woman is affected by rape, even if they are never themselves raped, because they have to live in fear of it. They are taught not to be alone at night, not to let themselves be alone with men, etc. It's like when police murder black people: they don't have to murder every black person to make black people start fearing the police.


And yet in societies where women are more equal the rape rate goes down, and in societies where women are less equal it goes up. Maybe it's NOT just an inherent, unavoidable thing, maybe it has to do with our societal gender roles.


How many barbies did you play with as a child? Children are socialized in to their gender roles from a very early age: if you track babies eye movements, you will find they pay more attention to men in women's clothing or vice versa, because before they can even speak they've already learned gender roles.

I promise you, there was nothing out on the savanah when we were evolving that looked like GI Joe or Barbie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



So you don't think little girls practicing child rearing, dress up, baking, etc. while little boys practicing war, robots, etc. is going to have any effect whatsoever on how those two kids grow up? Really?


Then why do so many of them commit rape? There was a recent study done that asked "if you knew you would never get caught", would you A) "rape", and B) force a woman to have sex with you. Something like a third of the men answered yes to B), so clearly we as a society are teaching them something.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm serious, no trolling here.



So your argument is that the entirety of the wage gap between men and women can be explained by women being stay at home moms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2..._United_States




I misspoke (sorry, not a military person): instead of "branch" I meant "division" or "unit" or something. But women definitely can NOT do everything men can in the military:

http://www.military.com/special-oper...al-forces.html



So what if there was a mass clown-raping spree, and suddenly anyone with a red nose had to live in far more fear of being raped than everyone else; would it just be a "personal" issue for those clowns, or would it be a systemic clown problem?

EVERY woman is affected by rape, even if they are never themselves raped, because they have to live in fear of it. They are taught not to be alone at night, not to let themselves be alone with men, etc. It's like when police murder black people: they don't have to murder every black person to make black people start fearing the police.


And yet in societies where women are more equal the rape rate goes down, and in societies where women are less equal it goes up. Maybe it's NOT just an inherent, unavoidable thing, maybe it has to do with our societal gender roles.


How many barbies did you play with as a child? Children are socialized in to their gender roles from a very early age: if you track babies eye movements, you will find they pay more attention to men in women's clothing or vice versa, because before they can even speak they've already learned gender roles.

I promise you, there was nothing out on the savanah when we were evolving that looked like GI Joe or Barbie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



So you don't think little girls practicing child rearing, dress up, baking, etc. while little boys practicing war, robots, etc. is going to have any effect whatsoever on how those two kids grow up? Really?


Then why do so many of them commit rape? There was a recent study done that asked "if you knew you would never get caught", would you A) "rape", and B) force a woman to have sex with you. Something like a third of the men answered yes to B), so clearly we as a society are teaching them something.

Being stay at home moms is part of it, yes. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps some women who got their MBAs simply chose to start a family and not work because their husbands make enough for them to do that? Did you consider that women (because of genetic predispositions- again) are more likely to pursue careers like teaching, which have lower salaries than say business? Also that study by a feminist group DEFINITELY isnt biased or flawed in a way that would support the claims of feminists lol..


People who are raped are affected by rape. What youre saying devalues what they've been through by saying you suffer from the same thing. That's pretty narcissistic of you. When a cop shoots a black person, its because they're doing something like attacking a cop after robbing a convenience store. Not because theyre black. If you don't attack cops, you dont have to worry.



As far as the military goes.. Do you think you'd actually enjoy being shot at? I can tell you from experience it isn't very pleasant to have pieces of metal coming at you faster than the speed of sound. And you went so far as to mention special forces specifically lol. You would fucking die in training if you went up for marine recon. Men and women are different physically. You cannot deny that, nor can you reasonably blame men for evolution. Your testosterone levels are dwarfed by male standards. Testosterone is the hormone that promotes muscle growth and aggressiveness. Women simply aren't designed for the same levels of physical exertion as men. A combat zone devoid of backup is not the place for you to get that fact through your head.

I promise you, there was nothing out on the savanah when we were evolving that looked like GI Joe or Barbie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're really proving my point about natural disposition here. Back when we were evolving women were still women, even without barbies. It wasn't like everyone was butch before the invention of the doll. In fact i can almost guarantee that instances of rape were FAR more common then. Let's use your logic and say that barbie dolls actually decrease the chances of someone being raped.



You say maybe women should be more aggressive and take what they want like supposedly males are taught to do, yet all you do is cry about it in an elf sim forum in stead of taking your own advice. If there ARE women-specific issues that need to be addressed, maybe its women's fault for not doing anything but whining about them.

Then why do so many of them commit rape? There was a recent study done that asked "if you knew you would never get caught", would you A) "rape", and B) force a woman to have sex with you. Something like a third of the men answered yes to B), so clearly we as a society are teaching them something.

Or maybe your totally 130% legit non-biased definitely not fabricating results to push a political agenda feminist organizations are just lying to rustle your petticoat because that's how they make money. "so many of them" don't commit rape. I've known hundreds of other males and none of us are or were rapists.. So where are these frothing hordes of chest-beating rapist baboons you're referring to?

Susan B Anthony would slap the teeth out of you. Youre a satirical caricature of actual feminism and you should be absolutely ashamed.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I like that Samus started as a relatively unsexualised space bounty hunter that turned out to be female. It makes me sad that they sexualised her later.

I mean in smash brothers her super special move is literally stripping off.

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like that Samus started as a relatively unsexualised space bounty hunter that turned out to be female. It makes me sad that they sexualised her later.

I mean in smash brothers her super special move is literally stripping off.

It was decided that samus was female from the get-go. However, being overly sensitive and politically correct simply doesnt work in this instance. Having a character that looks like the average american female wouldnt work. A fat person wouldnt be able to do flips, run around, or do any of the other physical activities that samus does. It just wouldnt work.


This might soothe your nerves.



#REALWOMENHAVECURVES

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