"Classic" feeling shifting?

[Taminy]

Honestly I've always had the classic feeling that classic was Velious OR Luclin. I'd play on a server that was up to PoP but no further and it wouldn't be my first choice - only because of the raids - everything else about PoP was stupid.

Flagging/Keying, PoK, faction being meaningless, excessive AAs... imo Luclin AAs were perfect (Luclin did have other problems though), enough to finally flesh out class roles but PoP AAs were just hamster wheeling. LDoN was even worse when it came to this. I remember it being billed as an expansion for casual players to get near raid quality items which they did, but it also added "needed" raid items for raiders. Aggro augments and armor augments for example, and it was just running the same crap over and over for those. The dungeons weren't even interesting either, killing orcs after I've been killing giants/dragons/gods... wtf. If LDoN had been an expansion like LoY with just content for lowbies/casuals/visual stuff it would have been ok, but the rest yuck. I guess you didn't really have to play it, and in fact I barely did [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] then I quit when Gates came out.

[Itap]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bazaar was one of the best changes possible.

When you no longer have to sit trying to sell your junk for hours, and instead can AFK overnight and sell stuff, it is fantastic.

Bazaar would bring so much low-end gear into the system. Right now, most of those 50-100 plat items I get from level 30-50 areas aren't worth my time selling. Instead I will just vendor or destroy them. Having an avenue to dump them on a trader and AFK and they get magically sold is great.

Plus you don't have to directly deal with people who make lowball offers, people who undercut you or people who resell. Stuff still happens but because you're AFK it's all out of sight and out of mind. You sell it at your listed price or you don't sell it.

Lol, you know how ridiculous this sounds, right? You're playing an MMO, the entire point is to interact with other people. I loved the idea of the bazaar, but it removed the interaction between people entirely. You can compare the bazaar to PoK and the associated books, it removed a part of the game that required you to actually talk to people and have friends.

[jolanar]

Lowballing people who just want to sell their items and get out of EC as soon as possible is one of the things that makes it so great IMO.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, you know how ridiculous this sounds, right? You're playing an MMO, the entire point is to interact with other people. I loved the idea of the bazaar, but it removed the interaction between people entirely. You can compare the bazaar to PoK and the associated books, it removed a part of the game that required you to actually talk to people and have friends.

Yup.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, you know how ridiculous this sounds, right? You're playing an MMO, the entire point is to interact with other people. I loved the idea of the bazaar, but it removed the interaction between people entirely. You can compare the bazaar to PoK and the associated books, it removed a part of the game that required you to actually talk to people and have friends.

Of course, the reason these became necessary was the antisocial.

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Level 2 Iksars exping in East Commons. Stop it, it's ruining my immersion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

Frakking traitorous bastards! FoB >>> EC.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, you know how ridiculous this sounds, right? You're playing an MMO, the entire point is to interact with other people. I loved the idea of the bazaar, but it removed the interaction between people entirely. You can compare the bazaar to PoK and the associated books, it removed a part of the game that required you to actually talk to people and have friends.

There's one thing asking someone to group, exping or questing with someone.

It's another dealing with:

"That earring for 5k, lol man that's a piece of crap, I'll give you 3k"
"Aww 5k, I really only have 2765 plat, can ya do that?"
"Hey I'll take that earring for 500" - 2 min later - "WTS earring 700"

The same people who hated PoK books are the ones who didn't play porters. I play a 60 druid and 52 wizard. I'm almost never /role on either of them. I get request for pickups in Emerald Jungle or Unrest occasionally. I politely say nope, I'm busy. Most people understand and say thanks anyways. Cool. But sometimes you get the dude offering you 30 plat for the port and complaining when you don't feel compelled to travel 15min across Norrath to port them for less than a hill Giants worth of platinum.

Also PoK book complaining is the dumbest thing in the world on this server. People REGULARLY ask for a port from WC to Lavastorm or EC to SRo. It's 2 fucking zones. Run. But heaven forbid you could click a book and travel yourself. Instead you want to inconvenience someone else, spend their mana and time and quite often not pay them for it.

Don't get me wrong, I do port people, almost never accept plat, and SoW them on their way. The general population of this server however feels entitled to these services and in the same breath they ask for a port with, they will criticizes the very features that unburdened players like myself from providing them.

I don't have any issues porting friends or guildmates. However the "interaction" you refer to from getting a port from a random guy is basically non existent. 95%+ of my ports involve these tells:

"Can I get a port from X to Y"
"Thanks"

Occasionally:

"Sorry corpse run otherwise I'd donate"
Or
"You sure you don't want plat"

Often:

"Can I get a INSERT BUFFS HERE?"

Shit isn't interacting with me at all. You interact more with the guy at the liquor store or the woman at the grocery store scanning your items.

PS - Yes, I am salty of that argument consistently being made on these boards. No one gives a shit about talking to their porter, they just want their port.

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bazaar was one of the best changes possible.

When you no longer have to sit trying to sell your junk for hours, and instead can AFK overnight and sell stuff, it is fantastic.

Bazaar would bring so much low-end gear into the system. Right now, most of those 50-100 plat items I get from level 30-50 areas aren't worth my time selling. Instead I will just vendor or destroy them. Having an avenue to dump them on a trader and AFK and they get magically sold is great.

Plus you don't have to directly deal with people who make lowball offers, people who undercut you or people who resell. Stuff still happens but because you're AFK it's all out of sight and out of mind. You sell it at your listed price or you don't sell it.

You sicken me, I puke when I hear your voice garble the filth you spew. I hope they make a PVP server and b4 you create a character they ask are u for the pro-bazaar or anti-bazaar, and split us into teams. I would fear kite you every chance I had to make your very existence on that server reprehensible. I gotta puke now blah

[Ravager]

Both EC and the Bazaar suck.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sicken me, I puke when I hear your voice garble the filth you spew. I hope they make a PVP server and b4 you create a character they ask are u for the pro-bazaar or anti-bazaar, and split us into teams. I would fear kite you every chance I had to make your very existence on that server reprehensible. I gotta puke now blah

You anti-bazaar facists deserved to be rounded up, AEed to death, rezed, and AEed again. Then have trolls perform lewd acts with your bodies as they get corpse camped. For serious.

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by Duncon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the only thing that has kept the economy from complete destruction is the lack of a bazaar. The pain in the ass that is EC keeps a lot of items off the market and a lot of plat in the banks. If that flooded in through easy 24/7 access to goods in a bazaar the whole thing would implode.

You are EXACTLY right, the bazaar had a huge impact on player to player contact. I would say it was the most destructive force in EQ. I loathed the release of Luclin for this very reason. I cannot spew enough hatred for the bazaar, we will never reconcile and I will go to my grave cursing they day it was born. Bazaar killed Classic End of Story.