"Classic" feeling shifting?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still think EQ1 without the classic planes (Sky, Hate, Fear) would be a great server in itself if it never progressed past classic.

Realistically speaking, Velious and Kunark have very little content that reminds me of the style of content in the original release. When you found an item with stats in pre-Kunark, you either had to farm for days or go to Lower Guk/Nagafen's Lair - and even then, the two major dungeons felt out of place realistically speaking from a content perspective.

Prior to those dungeons, you had to farm all over the world to get your drops and gear as opposed to just two dungeons on the same continent. There was virtually no point in the many merchant-sold weaponry or classic crafted after getting a SSoY or one of the many other visible armor slot drops in both of those zones.

Maybe I just hold the newbie experience in high regards, but I still think it's a bit silly to have Mithril BPs dropping in Nagafen's Lair around the same time you'd probably make enough plat to make Fine Plate armor.

It's almost like two different developers had designed half of the content. It's weird. I really don't know how to explain it other than 80% of the content gets invalidated with Kunark, and there's so much of it in the game prior that gets overlooked.

bless this post, so many yes, totally agree 100%

Its as obvious to me as if you were to look at the level design and art of Mistmoore or High Hold Keep and then look at Howling Stones or KC.. pre planer classic classic server would be my favorite thing in life.

[mokfarg]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bless this post, so many yes, totally agree 100%

Its as obvious to me as if you were to look at the level design and art of Mistmoore or High Hold Keep and then look at Howling Stones or KC.. pre planer classic classic server would be my favorite thing in life.

Yes!!!

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still think EQ1 without the classic planes (Sky, Hate, Fear) would be a great server in itself if it never progressed past classic.

Realistically speaking, Velious and Kunark have very little content that reminds me of the style of content in the original release. When you found an item with stats in pre-Kunark, you either had to farm for days or go to Lower Guk/Nagafen's Lair - and even then, the two major dungeons felt out of place realistically speaking from a content perspective.

Prior to those dungeons, you had to farm all over the world to get your drops and gear as opposed to just two dungeons on the same continent. There was virtually no point in the many merchant-sold weaponry or classic crafted after getting a SSoY or one of the many other visible armor slot drops in both of those zones.

Maybe I just hold the newbie experience in high regards, but I still think it's a bit silly to have Mithril BPs dropping in Nagafen's Lair around the same time you'd probably make enough plat to make Fine Plate armor.

It's almost like two different developers had designed half of the content. It's weird. I really don't know how to explain it other than 80% of the content gets invalidated with Kunark, and there's so much of it in the game prior that gets overlooked.

well said

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still think EQ1 without the classic planes (Sky, Hate, Fear) would be a great server in itself if it never progressed past classic.

Realistically speaking, Velious and Kunark have very little content that reminds me of the style of content in the original release. When you found an item with stats in pre-Kunark, you either had to farm for days or go to Lower Guk/Nagafen's Lair - and even then, the two major dungeons felt out of place realistically speaking from a content perspective.

Prior to those dungeons, you had to farm all over the world to get your drops and gear as opposed to just two dungeons on the same continent. There was virtually no point in the many merchant-sold weaponry or classic crafted after getting a SSoY or one of the many other visible armor slot drops in both of those zones.

Maybe I just hold the newbie experience in high regards, but I still think it's a bit silly to have Mithril BPs dropping in Nagafen's Lair around the same time you'd probably make enough plat to make Fine Plate armor.

It's almost like two different developers had designed half of the content. It's weird. I really don't know how to explain it other than 80% of the content gets invalidated with Kunark, and there's so much of it in the game prior that gets overlooked.

Agreed. It definitely felt like there were two competing visions of content. In vision one character advancement is a struggle, in vision two character advancement just happens because you're logged in. In vision one druids and necros were nerfed, rogues and shamans were left broken, and the MOTD warned that there would be no GM help if you couldn't recover your corpse from the feet of a dragon before it decayed. In vision two early raid guilds had L20 alts in full planar armor (before the level minimum was put in game) and Kunark release utterly devalued pretty much every droppable classic two-hander within hours (Mithril Two-Hander held value can't recall another that did.)

[myriverse]

My stepdad's still griping about them considering GnR and Black Crowes "classic rock."

[Mentathiel]

For my part, the issue with post-Velious content was that it made the world smaller. Right now, unless you are a wizard or druid, you can't jump across the continents and back without help. The current server population are friendly enough that you can usually get a port for a corpse-run and maybe even a rez if you are lucky, but a trip from Freeport to Qeynos is an adventure for me. Getting a port is a special treat or a necessary evil, not something I do regularly.

With SoL, Luclin suddenly became a transit hub and I can't imagine anyone ever needing to grab a port when you can just use Luclin. PoP was even worse; the PoK made even the run from Crushbone to Kaladim (with belts) redundant because you could teleport.

Were the newbie-armour quests kind of nice? Of course. Would I mind seeing beastlords? Not at all. Do I miss Vah-Shir? Yes. Is the Bazaar better than EC? Maybe, maybe not. Are those things worth the loss of the classic feeling? No, not to me...

As people have said, there are other servers who go beyond Velious or have variant rules like accelerated exp or higher drop rates. I mean, there's even Shards of Dalaya which is not even EQ as we know it. I play P1999 because I was happy in the SoV era and P1999 helps me recapture that era.

[Duncon]

Originally Posted by Mentathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is the Bazaar better than EC?

I think the only thing that has kept the economy from complete destruction is the lack of a bazaar. The pain in the ass that is EC keeps a lot of items off the market and a lot of plat in the banks. If that flooded in through easy 24/7 access to goods in a bazaar the whole thing would implode.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Duncon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the only thing that has kept the economy from complete destruction is the lack of a bazaar. The pain in the ass that is EC keeps a lot of items off the market and a lot of plat in the banks. If that flooded in through easy 24/7 access to goods in a bazaar the whole thing would implode.

Bazaar was one of the best changes possible.

When you no longer have to sit trying to sell your junk for hours, and instead can AFK overnight and sell stuff, it is fantastic.

Bazaar would bring so much low-end gear into the system. Right now, most of those 50-100 plat items I get from level 30-50 areas aren't worth my time selling. Instead I will just vendor or destroy them. Having an avenue to dump them on a trader and AFK and they get magically sold is great.

Plus you don't have to directly deal with people who make lowball offers, people who undercut you or people who resell. Stuff still happens but because you're AFK it's all out of sight and out of mind. You sell it at your listed price or you don't sell it.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bazaar was one of the best changes possible.

When you no longer have to sit trying to sell your junk for hours, and instead can AFK overnight and sell stuff, it is fantastic.

Bazaar would bring so much low-end gear into the system. Right now, most of those 50-100 plat items I get from level 30-50 areas aren't worth my time selling. Instead I will just vendor or destroy them. Having an avenue to dump them on a trader and AFK and they get magically sold is great.

Plus you don't have to directly deal with people who make lowball offers, people who undercut you or people who resell. Stuff still happens but because you're AFK it's all out of sight and out of mind. You sell it at your listed price or you don't sell it.

I'm all for the bazaar, but it has no place on P99 at this point in the timeline.

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[Duncon]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you no longer have to sit trying to sell your junk for hours, and instead can AFK overnight and sell stuff, it is fantastic.

Bazaar would bring so much low-end gear into the system.

I hate EC, I think most folks do, but it is what keeps stuff off the market and makes it viable.

The only drain of wealth from this closed system is the stuff rotting in the banks. If stuff was easy to sell and you didn't have this drain the whole thing would be a complete write off.