So monks got nerfed overall then.

[hammertime7795]

Originally Posted by Lucia Moonglow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people want to argue that melees are worse now than they were on live, that's one thing, but you'll need to offer solid evidence, like confirmed parsings from classic EQ, in order to get things changed.

The people arguing from a balance perspective: Rogean has stated straight up that his goal is to emulate and duplicate classic EQ as much as possible, regardless of the impact on the community. He has straight up stated that he doesn't care about appeasing the player base, or addressing balance issues, or fixing broken mechanics or skills.

If something was imbalanced, broken, or missing in classic, then it's going to be the same way here if at all possible. That's just the way it is, whether we agree with that philosophy or not.

Well this is clearly not true since he allows outright racist names that never would have been allowed in classic. I don't have 15 year old parses. Things were broken in classic it took time to fix them. Going back to broken mechanics that they went and fixed later is silly and not classic just broken.

[apio]

yeah, its the typical shitty nerf everything and then when people say its wrong tell them to dig up evidence. How about the shitty devs dig up evidence before breaking the game. roflcopter

And im sorry, but the FD fix doesn't make up for the nerf, maybe if you are a shitty monk player it does, but not for people who master the class

[stakha]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, its the typical shitty nerf everything and then when people say its wrong tell them to dig up evidence. How about the shitty devs dig up evidence before breaking the game. roflcopter

And im sorry, but the FD fix doesn't make up for the nerf, maybe if you are a shitty monk player it does, but not for people who master the class

You're lucky the shitty devs don't ban your IP for this sort of attitude. Perhaps you should be more concerned with mastering basic social skills than mastering the monk class. Learn to appreciate those who have paid for your meal you petulant fuck.

[Rivthis]

Originally Posted by stakha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're lucky the shitty devs don't ban your IP for this sort of attitude. Perhaps you should be more concerned with mastering basic social skills than mastering the monk class. Learn to appreciate those who have paid for your meal you petulant fuck.

^Exactly what I was thinking

[Raev]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, its the typical shitty nerf everything and then when people say its wrong tell them to dig up evidence. How about the shitty devs dig up evidence before breaking the game. roflcopter

And im sorry, but the FD fix doesn't make up for the nerf, maybe if you are a shitty monk player it does, but not for people who master the class

By master the class I assume you mean relying on our currently broken implementation of sneak?

Also, while Haynar and I have had our differences THE GUY FUCKING CARES. For years Nilbog has had a fanatical obsession with reproducing classic EQ's quests, mobs, pathing, etc while the mechanics of the game have been quite off. Now Haynar is tackling this problem of trying to get us some legit classic mechanics. He may make a few wrong steps, but he's going off the little evidence we have. Rather than bitching, go find some posts and try to help him out. It shouldn't be hard to google monkly business and see what monks were soloing back then.

Originally Posted by Rayzor34

If a class doesn't have something they excel at, I feel like that's a problem. Rangers track and have bows, SK can tank and are master agro machines, etc. Every other class has its niche, and monks are overshadowed by both tanks and dps. I even see charmed enchanter pets doing damage on par with me in the group, making my presence redundant.

Did you just seriously claim Rangers have a role and monks don't? Monks are the best raid pullers in the game (it's not close), 2nd best group pullers (behind bards and ahead of enchanters), 3rd best raid dps (behind Rogues and Wizards), 3rd best group DPS (behind Rogues and Enchanters). On top of that you have fantastic utility: FD+sneak allows you to go anywhere in dungeons and live when the rest of the group dies. Compare to the poor Warrior who is a babe in the woods without help.

Furthermore, and I don't know how many times I have to say this for it to sink in, I'm pretty sure monks weren't nerfed. He just made NPCs stronger. If NPCs are stronger, which classes become more valuable? the crowd control classes! Meaning Enchanter, Shaman, Bard, and Monk are . .. EVEN BETTER than they were before relative to other classes. Tanks get a bit better, and DPS classes like Rogues get worse because you are a bit more concerned with staying alive.

TLDR: I cannot believe people are complaining that monks are underpowered, just please stop.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, its the typical shitty nerf everything and then when people say its wrong tell them to dig up evidence. How about the shitty devs dig up evidence before breaking the game. roflcopter

And im sorry, but the FD fix doesn't make up for the nerf, maybe if you are a shitty monk player it does, but not for people who master the class

You must have a lot of friends.

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[Calibretto]

You really don't have any justification to complain like you are here apio. You are playing a 100% free game. A game that only exists because of the Devs. Criticize devs in a game where your subscription pays their salary all you want. If you were to take that attitude with these devs in public face-to-face im pretty sure your approach would be different or it would be likely met with a jab to the jiblets. Grow up bro, you are embarrassing yourself.

" How about the shitty devs dig up evidence before breaking the game." - apio

Really dude? You and your generation are really becoming intolerable. Go fuck yourself you entitled little cunt.

I bet you think you should be paid $15/hr at your fast-food job too.

[Rayzor84]

Everyone ITT that thinks I'm concerned with Monk ability to solo needs to learn to read. I soloed guards in HK, every other level after 6 or so I was grouped. I'm talking about being overshadowed in group dynamics.

If a class doesn't have something they excel at, I feel like that's a problem. Rangers track and have bows, SK can tank and are master agro machines, etc. Every other class has its niche, and monks are overshadowed by both tanks and dps. I even see charmed enchanter pets doing damage on par with me in the group, making my presence redundant.

I already sold all my gear and rolled a chanter. At least I'll have a defined purpose for my class. Inb4 monks pull, lol pulling alone doesn't make a class enjoyable, it's more work for less reward.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Rayzor84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone ITT that thinks I'm concerned with Monk ability to solo needs to learn to read. I soloed guards in HK, every other level after 6 or so I was grouped. I'm talking about being overshadowed in group dynamics.

If a class doesn't have something they excel at, I feel like that's a problem. Rangers track and have bows, SK can tank and are master agro machines, etc. Every other class has its niche, and monks are overshadowed by both tanks and dps. I even see charmed enchanter pets doing damage on par with me in the group, making my presence redundant.

I already sold all my gear and rolled a chanter. At least I'll have a defined purpose for my class. Inb4 monks pull, lol pulling alone doesn't make a class enjoyable, it's more work for less reward.

Well, fair enough...but this thread belongs back in 2000...thats what monks were in classic EQ.

For all its pros and cons (and some will say either about the following fact), EQ wasn't known for having class balance. Depending on era some classes were definitely "less useful" (to use a kind way of describing it) than others. Even within that framework, monks are hardly the worst off in classic EQ.

[SamwiseRed]

monks who rely entire on splitting suck as pullers. learn to sneak pull scrubs.