"wow raiding is takes alot more skill than eq" - SamwiseRed

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Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most people here grew up on WoW. Half of them didn't even see VP at that point so there is no real comparison. But I would definitely say more guilds destroyed BWL over a year span from release to a year than guilds saw VP in a 2 year span.

Another forum warrior making up statistics to support his own opinion.

EQ had a tremendous learning curve when it launched because it was the first MMORPG most people had played. 15 years later, we've learned that time spent does not directly equate to amount of player skill, which is what this era of EQ revolved directly around because it was more profitable to keep players heavily invested in timesinks, nothing more nothing less.

Your bullshit statistic about VP could easily be said about original Naxx for instance.

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Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And one other thing is shit isnt really unique in WoW. Gear is easy as fuck to get because everyone can run a separate instance and get gear. Everquest takes forever to get your guild geared up because you are competing against other people for shit and if you wipe, you lose the mob and have to wait a shitload more time to kill it just to see if it even drops that piece you want. Having the access to gear up quickly and easy as fuck + no competition from other players = easy as fuck. It's like "well fuck lets just keep trying until we finally kill it since no one else is here....."

No argument- people in previous posts confirmed under 25.

That's not skill based, though; that's time spent versus rewards earned. Not skill used. Time spent.

Killing an NPC with 32k hitpoints on farm for 2 years is not skillful, the metagame that developed behind getting to NPCs and killing them before someone else tags it is the real skill behind EQ1 - and because of that, tears flow like a motherfucker.

Me, I just like Classic EQ because it's great if you don't consider it a competitive game and just enjoy the community and social aspects of it. I have WoW for competitive PvP/PvE if I want it.

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Furthermore, WoW gives you all the gear you need to get started, not all the gear you'd ever want.

I'm not sure if you ever played WoW (it sounds like you guys haven't for the most part) but you are given a basic set of armor and then are expected to perform your role as a tank, dps, or healer. Not learn it as you're gearing up; it's given to you on a silver platter so you can stay competitive with other players that know how to play your class.

Gear isn't the only thing that determines a players' skill in an MMO, player skill is highly attributed to how well you perform. I guarantee 95% of the druids on this server can't solo Phinny, or don't want to because they're scared of failure and an 18 hour corpse run. However, if you were to give them unlimited tries and no penalty for failure, a good 35% couldn't solo it.

EQ1 isn't a skill based game, it's a game about risk vs reward and time invested.

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You could say wow mechanics are harder, but it goes out the window when you have basically unlimited opportunities to perfect it.
Didn't work? Just do it again, you will get it right eventually.
Right now,here people know down to the hit or cast what it takes to win the hardest raids.
However tackle it for the first time EQ is harder by far.
Your one chance better be done right or you are fucked.

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Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think World of Warcraft didnt try to come out with more efficient ways to keep you addicted and trying to learn from Everquests mistakes to get a higher player base

You're too stupid to realize you're arguing my point for me in this sentence and it makes me feel bad.

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Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A good group will not stop a wipe if some idiot decides to train Trak or any other train in VP/ToV and wipes the whole raid. Raids still wipe 15 years later from the variance of that shit. Go back to Naxx and see how many times you wipe on a Emu server. Guaranteed that shit is a cake walk now.

Are you trying to argue that "NOT walking up to Trakanon and then running back to your raid force" takes skill?

You are basically saying that it takes skill to NOT press buttons on your keyboard.

People can wipe on any game if some dipshit aggros tons of mobs and trains them on the raid. Is that really your argument?