Late game Min/maxing class race list

[Daldaen]

Druid, any elf of Tunare.

Wood Elf of Half Elf are acceptable.

Come Verrious WIS will get capped easily at high end so it's all about them clickies and them secondary stats/look. Elves have those.

[SamwiseRed]

erudite anything, naw unless it playing basketball.

also frontal stun immunity is def good for war. cant gain agro when stunned. try playing a warrior sometime (non-ogre) and see how many times you are stunned in a fight.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

also frontal stun immunity is def good for war. cant gain agro when stunned. try playing a warrior sometime (non-ogre) and see how many times you are stunned in a fight.

It's only something like 5-10% less threat generation. Definitely big for red (no rechargeable clickies), not a huge game breaker in the least over on blue. Mallet, strings, sit back and lol. Dump a net every few seconds if you really want. Don't even need to turn on auto attack.

People will claim ogre is necessary for positioning, but I think it's horseshit. 1/2 the time you won't have sufficient hate to drag the thing around at your leisure because your raid force is bad, and even if you did, you're still getting summoned and all that bullshit and have to deal with that mostly retarded raid force that is afk watching youporn and just pushing the mob into retarded places.

With that said, Ogre's have by far the easiest time maxing stamina out for dem hp's. Slam is cool too sometimes. Backhandin bitches all day.

For red I'd definitely say Ogre. For blue - doesn't matter. In the Kunark era I'd say probably anything that allows you to easily max stamina (ogre, troll, etc). Certainly not iksar, but the easy road is the lame road and you can certainly make it work.

Whoever mentioned shaman: Ogre 100%. Stun immunity can be huge when trying to get off a spell with several mobs on you. If you're the kind of person to root rot a mob at a time regen may be more useful, if you're a a swat team motherfucker and kicking down doors and shit Ogre all the way.

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whoever mentioned shaman: Ogre 100%. Stun immunity can be huge when trying to get off a spell with several mobs on you. If you're the kind of person to root rot a mob at a time regen may be more useful, if you're a a swat team motherfucker and kicking down doors and shit Ogre all the way.

I duo'ed a Wizard with an Ogre Shaman & if we ever had too much agro, he'd back into a corner, take agro & we'd gate. The legends are true about those big corridor blockers.

[Thiefboy777]

Being a Barbarian Rogue sucks. I'm big, goofy looking, and have to click on annoying illusion mask every 20 minutes.

I would race change from Barb to pretty much anything else in a heartbeat.

Str isn't that hard to come by, and there are other races that can start with 95+ str.

[SamwiseRed]

barb can throw best weapon in the game. zee boulder, and crit with it too.

[Taminy]

Barb for warrior, solely for stats AND not getting stuck places. Ogres and trolls need shrink a lot and barb almost never does. That and being best stats race that's still pretty.

But in all seriousness for min/maxing definitely Ogre. More stamina is always better and it's not as easy as people make it out to be to max stamina. Plus as an ogre you can skip a lot of stamina items and go for items with more raw hp and also by the time a small race warrior maxes stamina buffed, you can do it unbuffed - ie you can skip getting stamina buff.

Frontal stun immunity is overrated for a warrior. Any problems with aggro are solved with mallets or root net dumps at the start of a fight.

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Taminy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Barb for warrior, solely for stats AND not getting stuck places. Ogres and trolls need shrink a lot and barb almost never does. That and being best stats race that's still pretty.

But in all seriousness for min/maxing definitely Ogre. More stamina is always better and it's not as easy as people make it out to be to max stamina. Plus as an ogre you can skip a lot of stamina items and go for items with more raw hp and also by the time a small race warrior maxes stamina buffed, you can do it unbuffed - ie you can skip getting stamina buff.

Frontal stun immunity is overrated for a warrior. Any problems with aggro are solved with mallets or root net dumps at the start of a fight.

forgot how much of a click fest blue is. well in that case just carry around a fresh soulfire too. i guess on blue race choice doesnt matter because there is always a clicky you can recharge or quest to make up for it.

[Briq]

Having first played a half elf warrior to level 60 and raiding and then playing an ogre warrior to level 60 and raiding, I will tell you that the no frontal stun is a game changer for warriors. Clickies aside, if you only have your weapons and taunt, those 2 seconds you are stunned you can lose aggro and could be the difference between it popping around or staying on you.

Lakwandarius - 17 Iksar Necro
Briqi - 34 High Elf Enchanter

[Daldaen]

Clickies make the game much more dynamic, serve to remove platinum from an already bloated economy and make the game more fun overall.

SoulFires though I agree should be Paladin only. The stuff you can vendor recharge, go for it. If you want to burn 2k in recharging costs to solo a mob, feel free.