Public Raid Petitions: P99 Freedom of Information Act

[Frieza_Prexus]

This has already been addressed, Juntsie. Classicness has no bearing on how the GM makes his decisions outside of the game. Additionally, this lowers, by a HUGE margin, the amount of work required by all parties. After tens, if not hundreds, of total man hours all of the same evidence is eventually produced, but it's initially held back as sides try to extort and our play each other.

The dirty, not-so-secret, truth of this server is that few people in the end game are interested in justice and fair play. The end game has always been a farce of using the system to punish the other guy with no regard for the actual spirit of the rules. It's always "what can we stick them with this time?" When the question should be "how do we make this game more fun?"

People say they want fewer rules because that would make the game more fun, but we've seen P99 Lord of the Flies and the Laissez-faire environment is anything but for all but the ruling elite. Players will always abuse the system we have until the ability to do so is removed for their hands.

[Psionide]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has already been addressed, Juntsie. Classicness has no bearing on how the GM makes his decisions outside of the game. Additionally, this lowers, by a HUGE margin, the amount of work required by all parties. After tens, if not hundreds, of total man hours all of the same evidence is eventually produced, but it's initially held back as sides try to extort and our play each other.

The dirty, not-so-secret, truth of this server is that few people in the end game are interested in justice and fair play. The end game has always been a farce of using the system to punish the other guy with no regard for the actual spirit of the rules. It's always "what can we stick them with this time?" When the question should be "how do we make this game more fun?"

People say they want fewer rules because that would make the game more fun, but we've seen P99 Lord of the Flies and the Laissez-faire environment is anything but for all but the ruling elite. Players will always abuse the system we have until the ability to do so is removed for their hands.

Here here!

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The dirty, not-so-secret, truth of this server is that few people in the end game are interested in justice and fair play. The end game has always been a farce of using the system to punish the other guy with no regard for the actual spirit of the rules. It's always "what can we stick them with this time?" When the question should be "how do we make this game more fun?"

Class C problems. The reality is 90% of the server would have more fun with rotations. There wouldn't be all this back and forth bickering and all the time-consuming problems could be solved with a calendar. 90% of the server is interested in fair play, it's the 10% that create this problem and are not at all interested in fair play. Pretty sure public petitions will just force your class to figure out other ways to game the system.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Class C problems. The reality is 90% of the server would have more fun with rotations. There wouldn't be all this back and forth bickering and all the time-consuming problems could be solved with a calendar. 90% of the server is interested in fair play, it's the 10% that create this problem and are not at all interested in fair play. Pretty sure public petitions will just force your class to figure out other ways to game the system.

If the staff chooses to implement rotations then, yes, much of this is moot. However, they have not done so; we must acknowledge the reality of the situation.

You say that we'd just "figure out other ways to game the system." That's how it's supposed to work; when a loophole is abused, it is closed. It's poor argument to say we shouldnt make A better because B might be abused. Progress has to start somewhere. Things have never been better here, honestly. There are fewer incidents overall, and low end guilds have meaningful participation in raid content. That doesn't mean we should stop trying.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the staff chooses to implement rotations then, yes, much of this is moot. However, they have not done so; we must acknowledge the reality of the situation.

You say that we'd just "figure out other ways to game the system." That's how it's supposed to work; when a loophole is abused, it is closed. It's poor argument to say we shouldnt make A better because B might be abused. Progress has to start somewhere. Things have never been better here, honestly. There are fewer incidents overall, and low end guilds have meaningful participation in raid content. That doesn't mean we should stop trying.

The staff doesn't have to force rotations to have them happen. Rotations aren't forced in Class R, that's just how the majority would rather play. For all you're trying to do, this is really just a 2 guild problem. So, talk to that other guild and deal with it. Isn't that why there's a guild discussion board in the first place?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by AceDSilva [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So much stupidity in this post, it's amazing, but at the same time not really.

Hi Ace,

To clarify my first point, fixing "A" here does not break "B". My example was that multiple holes currently exist and that we should not be afraid to start somewhere when fixing problems. It's like saying we shouldnt fix a broken arm because then we'll notice how much our broken pinky is also hurting.

Secondly, please focus on the merits of the issues themselves and not their origins. My guild tag and posting history have nothing to do with the worthiness of my comments. It's certainly fine that you disagree, but perhaps you'll be heard more clearly if you spend more time making a point and less effort on typing the word "fuck."

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Juntsie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Juntsie always thought dat putting all mobs on equitable rotation with no class distinction best resolution to raid problems. If player want competition, go bash on red, where no silly rules exist, other than bash best, which is good, predictable rule. Dis not purely classic, but it much more classic than current raid drama. Juntsie tink it fitting dat he see beautiful raid screenshot of red playas actually bashing down to Trakanon. Cause single tear of joy.

Enforcing a rotation on blue and telling the players who want competition to move to red is an eminently reasonable solution. I enjoyed my bit of time on the red server, although I'm playing blue mostly still as my friends are on blue. I wonder why the staff is so opposed to this.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enforcing a rotation on blue and telling the players who want competition to move to red is an eminently reasonable solution. I enjoyed my bit of time on the red server, although I'm playing blue mostly still as my friends are on blue. I wonder why the staff is so opposed to this.

The fact that most people don't want to deal with grief central PvP would be one reason I think.

[Argh]

I think the easiest solution would be for people to stop petitioning every time they lose. Admit the fact that you lost and move on.

[Dizey]

Didn't read the whole thread, but sounds like petitions will just turn into a "who has the best spin team" match.