Fresh start or /movelog for blue rotation server?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Magnar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would happen a lot faster if the staff didn't have to keep dealing with PetitionQuest and could focus on other things. For example, just because Sirken isn't coding, doesn't mean he doesn't have a hand in getting Velious out the door as soon as possible. The more time he has to spend answering raid petitions over people's bullshit, the more time he has taken away from working on actual things. Throw Rogean, Derubael, and everyone else who multitasks on staff into the mix and that puts deadlines WAY behind.

The bosses have said time and again that CSR and Dev work are separate.

There are a number of devs/coders working behind the scenes, as they get the time or inclination to work on it.

Sirk/Deru might pop on beta from time to time to check out people's raids, but them having more free time won't get it out any faster.

[Jfertal]

Yeah it would be a long wait, but im sure velious will keep people pretty happy and content for years to come

[Asap]

so fresh so clean clean

[khanable]

Voted fresh start because a classic->kunark->velious progression server would be amazing a few years down the road.

Not interested in it as a "fix" to the raid scene, though.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Voted fresh start because a classic->kunark->velious progression server would be amazing a few years down the road.

Not interested in it as a "fix" to the raid scene, though.

Yes

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Voted fresh start because a classic->kunark->velious progression server would be amazing a few years down the road.

Not interested in it as a "fix" to the raid scene, though.

^ This

[Ziggy]

all the butthurt in the raid scene is just the effect of being stuck/bottle-necked in kunark for 4x longer than live. even on our low-pop (by live-era standards) server there are far too many people trying to get in on the raid scene, and far too few mobs to support them. velious does a good job of spreading players out more, but i suspect we will be having this same conversation about poopsocking rare velious content if nothing new comes out after 4 years in that expansion...

[Magnar]

Originally Posted by Ziggy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all the butthurt in the raid scene is just the effect of being stuck/bottle-necked in kunark for 4x longer than live. even on our low-pop (by live-era standards) server there are far too many people trying to get in on the raid scene, and far too few mobs to support them. velious does a good job of spreading players out more, but i suspect we will be having this same conversation about poopsocking rare velious content if nothing new comes out after 4 years in that expansion...

The Velious conversation will be within months of launch. There aren't 10 additional levels plus massive epic quests to attain in new content. Aside from Coldain rings and shawls, it's mostly just faction grinding and drop loot.

[Buriedpast]

Originally Posted by Ziggy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all the butthurt in the raid scene is just the effect of being stuck/bottle-necked in kunark for 4x longer than live. even on our low-pop (by live-era standards) server there are far too many people trying to get in on the raid scene, and far too few mobs to support them. velious does a good job of spreading players out more, but i suspect we will be having this same conversation about poopsocking rare velious content if nothing new comes out after 4 years in that expansion...

It has multiple reasons which I won't go in to, but predominantly restricting us from VP until we burnt out from killing weekly Trakanons, until a second guild was keyed for over 9 months stuck the knife in deep. It forced the top guild to become the co-top guild, due to burnout on our part, and a massive steam engine of fresh blood on tmo's part. I don't hate them for it, they did and still do very well. But in no way were they competition especially if VP was opened to us when it should of been. This bottleneck was the start of a long list of problems emerging resulting in a highly inflated 60 raid presence, and ultimately a sour grapes situation.

The other key point of p2k would be we (neckbeards) don't have multiple 60's. We would still be on top no matter where (as players, not guilds!, there is a natural order you fall in based on personality/commitment/playtime/knowledge/friends). But the entire server would still be open to everyone else, and I honestly believe we could create a sharing and open way to play the game at all levels.

The lower and mid tier of the game gets better as it takes more people, more groups etc to achieve things. Unlike now when I can go and 3 man prot/tola with ease and redundancy, it takes groups to do the same on a new server, still in crustacean shell armour etc as we leveled up with velious available. The spread of people also would go a long way to avoid conflict, as camps are far more open with velious available as an alternative to KC for pugs. It's just something I, not anyone else can possibly ever experience on p1999 now or ever.

[Loadsamoney]

This whole "raid scene inflation, sour grapes" situation is exactly the reason why future MMO's moved to the "instance" system, so everyone can have a shot at the content without it being a shit-slinging contest between guilds. Because EVERYONE deserves a chance at it. Being allowed to even touch special raid mobs shouldn't have to be a matter of knowing the right people and conforming to a very specific guild and their ideals.

As far as this server is concerned, right now it's painful watching equal-level twinks in 50kpp+ gear able to slice through everything so easily when I have to struggle tooth and nail for beans. But I guess you gotta start somewhere and a movelog would not fix that.

Personally, I think there should be another Blue server for Classic>Kunark>Velious, but wipe it once every year, and make people start over. Kind of like Ladder in Diablo 2.