It'll never be C/R

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still no Velious huh...

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[HeallunRumblebelly]

Because if all we are doing is cake walking in circles for loot the game really loses purpose. At least in kunark. A full rotation on blue99 is about the best red99 recruitment tool there could ever be.

[Juryiel]

As I said, not a recpie for P99 (Live always had purpose in killing new content, here not so much). Just a demonstration that if people across both class C and class R consider what each other wants sincerely, rather than constantly trying to antagonize each other, we can work out these issues with few simple rules. But for that to happen class C guilds must want class R guilds to be happy rather than seeing them as beggars, and class R guilds must want class C guilds to be happy rather than seeing them as villains.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Juryiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But for that to happen class C guilds must want class R guilds to be happy rather than seeing them as beggars, and class R guilds must want class C guilds to be happy rather than seeing them as villains.

Won't ever happen, sadly

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because if all we are doing is cake walking in circles for loot the game really loses purpose. At least in kunark. A full rotation on blue99 is about the best red99 recruitment tool there could ever be.

Are you suggesting that a rotation is cake walking and a 50 man FTE zerg rush is not?

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you suggesting that a rotation is cake walking and a 50 man FTE zerg rush is not?

Yes.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you suggesting that a rotation is cake walking and a 50 man FTE zerg rush is not?

Hasn't been 50 men in some time and at least the rushing allows for mistakes to be made and to keep it interesting. Trak for instance has a time limit per Se with the kiting and is engaged with a constantly varying force in number and composition depending on when it is engaged. Becomes this game of chicken without excessive da stalls.

[Magnar]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because if all we are doing is cake walking in circles for loot the game really loses purpose. At least in kunark. A full rotation on blue99 is about the best red99 recruitment tool there could ever be.

It really isn't. Maybe for the immature kiddies it is, but the server is better without them, anyway. I keep hearing all these stories about the raid scene on servers like Solusek Ro or Xegony and I just think to myself wow, I wasn't aware 8 year olds were allowed online back then. I can log onto my server right now, and the guilds who set up the rotation system back in '99 are STILL PLAYING with most of the same members. Tell me again how the game loses purpose?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Magnar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really isn't. Maybe for the immature kiddies it is, but the server is better without them, anyway. I keep hearing all these stories about the raid scene on servers like Solusek Ro or Xegony and I just think to myself wow, I wasn't aware 8 year olds were allowed online back then. I can log onto my server right now, and the guilds who set up the rotation system back in '99 are STILL PLAYING with most of the same members. Tell me again how the game loses purpose?

Both the hardcore cutthroat and the cooperative play styles existed on live, but the former was far more prevalent. This server's purpose is determined solely by The Vision™ as laid out by its owners. There is no right, wrong, or better way to play on or govern the server if it does not further that purpose.

Certainly, we may suggest better ways to accomplish certain goals and attract or retain a certain type of player, but we cannot speak in terms of "should" or "ought" if it does not further the developer's vision. It just so happens that the owners of this server have decided to cater more strongly to the hardcore while also assuring cooperative players that they will not be disregarded, despite being less favored.

[Magnar]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both the hardcore cutthroat and the cooperative play styles existed on live, but the former was far more prevalent. This server's purpose is determined solely by The Vision™ as laid out by its owners. There is no right, wrong, or better way to play on or govern the server if it does not further that purpose.

Certainly, we may suggest better ways to accomplish certain goals and attract or retain a certain type of player, but we cannot speak in terms of "should" or "ought" if it does not further the developer's vision. It just so happens that the owners of this server have decided to cater more strongly to the hardcore while also assuring cooperative players that they will not be disregarded, despite being less favored.

But there's nothing hardcore about having half your raid camped out ready to engage a mob in its spawn zone. Zerg rushing things isn't hardcore. Cooperative players are being totally disregarded. What guild on the server can even attempt to compete with the IB/TMO pixel jerk in Velious? None.

The only reason the former was more prevalent is because immature asshats are more prevalent than people willing to throw a hand to someone for the sake of helping them out and expecting nothing in return. It actually takes effort to not be a piece of shit, it's real easy to just walk all over people, only caring about yourself. That's what the raid scene on P99 is.

Whether or not the developers have a 'vision' of what they want raiding to be is irrelevant. The current rules are in place because guilds couldn't cooperate on their own. If TMO, IB, Taken, and whoever else all got together and said 'Look, lets all just grow the fuck up and sort this out', what are the GMs gonna do? Ban everyone for not constantly bickering like children? Of course not. Rogean, Nilbog, Sirken, and the rest of the staff probably sit in the GM chat saying to each other 'I really wish these idiots would just sort this shit out for themselves so we can stop having to waste time on it'.

I guarantee you Velious would have launched by now if they didn't need to constantly keep diverting their attention to raid issues. Kunark would have been launched sooner, too. They aren't going to punish people for creating a rotation or some other cooperative system on their own, they ARE going to punish people for constantly fucking each other other and breaking game rules and causing them more unnecessary stress.