Stop the Socking

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Man velious is going to be terrible on blue

[Daldaen]

Okay Unbrella is right, sort of.

Increasing Variance will not stop poopsocking. It will just further alienate Class R guilds. Class C continues to sock with long windows, as was evidence of the raid scene a year ago.

Decrease Variance will only stop poopsocking if we can work together to make a palletable raid scene:

• 30-60min windows.
• 2 Foot Racers, 1 Tracker allowed
• Foot Racers only have SoW - No selos, cheetah, scale, wolf form.
• All agree to starting points. I will MSPaint the starting lines and post shall be stickied.
• Foot Racers should either snap a quick screenshot of everyone at the kickoff / FRAPs the race if you're concerned about someone skirting the rules.
• If someone gains FTE who is not those players, the violating guild is suspended for 2 weeks. (Obviously after the first engage and say a guild wipes, if FTE is then obtained by a non foot racer fine)
• No guild may have more than 6 players in zone (to allow for some buffing/camping out?) and ideally just temporarily when it is in window/spawns. Also allows for apps to get exp in a random group in zone without penalizing... But prevents socking entire raids at KC entrance
• Trakanon needs its own considerations.

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

Nothing. GM's said no to a reduction in variance, but if it was lowered and the guilds all stopped being dildo's and came to a reasonable set of engagement rules it would go a long way.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing. GM's said no to a reduction in variance, but if it was lowered and the guilds all stopped being dildo's and came to a reasonable set of engagement rules it would go a long way.

Think they would still say no if this agreement is made though?

Poopsocking is a symptom of the windows.

If people can agree to number in zone/tagging and the time spent on those trackers/taggers is drastically reduced. You'll see far more guilds competing, and less poopsocking (because aforementioned agreement).

If we do the agreement, and variance isn't reduced, it may help Taken/BDA. But I'm not sure who else would enter the fray with 1 tracker, 2 taggers for a 16 hour window.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think they would still say no if this agreement is made though?

I dunno, I was under the assumption no means no.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

• 30-60min windows.
• 2 Foot Racers, 1 Tracker allowed
• Foot Racers only have SoW - No selos, cheetah, scale, wolf form.
• All agree to starting points. I will MSPaint the starting lines and post shall be stickied.
• Foot Racers should either snap a quick screenshot of everyone at the kickoff / FRAPs the race if you're concerned about someone skirting the rules.
• If someone gains FTE who is not those players, the violating guild is suspended for 2 weeks. (Obviously after the first engage and say a guild wipes, if FTE is then obtained by a non foot racer fine)
• No guild may have more than 6 players in zone (to allow for some buffing/camping out?) and ideally just temporarily when it is in window/spawns. Also allows for apps to get exp in a random group in zone without penalizing... But prevents socking entire raids at KC entrance
• Trakanon needs its own considerations.

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

Racing works better in some zones than others, but I guess thats part of the 'fun' of racing namely each race has its own unique strats and differences to overcome

Its certainly worth a closer look, and I would love to see some footage of races outside of VP bc some zones would be a cluster F to race tru

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay Unbrella is right, sort of.

Increasing Variance will not stop poopsocking. It will just further alienate Class R guilds. Class C continues to sock with long windows, as was evidence of the raid scene a year ago.

Decrease Variance will only stop poopsocking if we can work together to make a palletable raid scene:

• 30-60min windows.
• 2 Foot Racers, 1 Tracker allowed
• Foot Racers only have SoW - No selos, cheetah, scale, wolf form.
• All agree to starting points. I will MSPaint the starting lines and post shall be stickied.
• Foot Racers should either snap a quick screenshot of everyone at the kickoff / FRAPs the race if you're concerned about someone skirting the rules.
• If someone gains FTE who is not those players, the violating guild is suspended for 2 weeks. (Obviously after the first engage and say a guild wipes, if FTE is then obtained by a non foot racer fine)
• No guild may have more than 6 players in zone (to allow for some buffing/camping out?) and ideally just temporarily when it is in window/spawns. Also allows for apps to get exp in a random group in zone without penalizing... But prevents socking entire raids at KC entrance
• Trakanon needs its own considerations.

So... If we cannot have Respawns, tell me what is bad about the above.

Looks pretty good to me. I'd say not a 2 week suspension. Maybe the guild has to sit out the next FFA cycle of that mob. If they make a mistake on one they can't compete on the next. We can probably push it to two if you feel that is too light.

[Lazie]

Only reason I say 1 FFA cycle is... I'd hate a new guild to step in to attempt it and make a mistake first shot and have to skip 2 cycles of FFA on a mob their guild prioritizes.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only reason I say 1 FFA cycle is... I'd hate a new guild to step in to attempt it and make a mistake first shot and have to skip 2 cycles of FFA on a mob their guild prioritizes.

I could deal with that I suppose.

If you do it more than once though, more harsh things like full raid suspension for all targets etc.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could deal with that I suppose.

If you do it more than once though, more harsh things like full raid suspension for all targets etc.

I think we are on a good track here. I don't think an issue has ever come up on these races between us and IB where a person not at ZI got FTE. So I'm not to against this. People just need to know to keep their trackers out of FTE range really. Alright heading home from work. Be back in a bit.