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[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Derubael,

Regardless of the charities validity the buyer side of the transaction is still the same. They are paying money for virtual currency and/or items. Your focus is misplaced. The fact that the charity is real has nothing to do with the fact it's RMT. The only difference is where the money goes.

It was a raffle. The process was random.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Derubael,

Regardless of the charities validity the buyer side of the transaction is still the same. They are paying money for virtual currency and/or items. Your focus is misplaced. The fact that the charity is real has nothing to do with the fact it's RMT. The only difference is where the money goes.

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[Derubael]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Derubael,

Regardless of the charities validity the buyer side of the transaction is still the same. They are paying money for virtual currency and/or items. Your focus is misplaced. The fact that the charity is real has nothing to do with the fact it's RMT. The only difference is where the money goes.

I've never debated it wasn't a form of RMT, as a matter of fact, as the GM who handles all RMT related violations, I was solely responsible for ensuring that the "limited RMT license" - though it wasn't called this publicly granted to Norova was followed to the letter so that all the money was properly donated to charity and that the raffle was done in a fair and legitimate way. If this had been, say, an auction, we may have not allowed it and instead requested a raffle (the direct 1:1 trade of an item for real life currency enters a grey area we'd rather not sail this ship through. But who knows, maybe it would be allowed - that would be a Server Administration level question).

So again, yes, we all acknowledge that RMT took place during the charity/donation drive. We all also acknowledge that raising a 15 grand from a 15 year old elfsim community is one hell of an achievement. Nobody here with their head on straight should be trying to go against, stifle, or otherwise devalue or even remove entirely this accomplishment or what it means for P99. We as a staff found it to be a very simple decision to allow this to be put on, and may allow similar events to be put on in the future, so long as we can properly vet all ends of the process to ensure it's legitimately done (ie, the money is going where it's supposed to be going, the items are not "rigged" or "pre-selected" for users who donate/pay the most, etc). As long as it all checks out, it's likely they'll be granted the same restrictive and thorough license I granted Norova and his project.

Like someone stated above - pretty clear that everyone sees the difference between platlord and a charity for dying children here. If not then, well, you probably don't like dying children. I realize they make people feel depressed, but it's kinda fucked up to just give up on them altogether, you feel me?

One last congrats to Norova and everyone who donated to reach such an incredible amount of donations from such a small project - it makes me wonder what the largest ones were.. i'm sure some of the pro players from various games who participated made upwards of 40, 50k. Pretty fantastic that gamers could come together for a day and generate this kind of cash for good causes. Great day for gaming imo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Wookiewoowoo]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope posts like these are just trollin, or I am going to need to launch into a long explanation as to how this was verified and ensured to be legit - we went as far as requiring a donation list to be provided and took additional steps to ensure this list could not be forged.

It's not like this was just put on without being thoroughly vetted first, with a host of stipulations, rules, and regulations being applied in order for the event to be allowed. Norova can attest to how complete and inflexible his contract was - and needed to be - in order to put this fundraiser on. Really glad it turned out great and will continue to voice my support for more - despite having to do all the "RMT legwork" in order to ensure everything is legitimate. I am more than happy to do so if P99 and it's players can raise fifteen thousand dollars in a single day! I'm still shocked at this number, and will continue to be shocked until it's bested at the next fundraiser for dying children/dogs/moms/impoverished millionaires/whatever the next charity is. Cant wait for next time!

The server demands zero RMT.
Yet a RMR (real money raffle) was setup. It doesn't matter who the money was for, REAL money was used for a in game item raffle.
If the raffle was for items OUTSIDE of the game this would have been fine (new laptop,tablet, etc...).
Just because the raffle has a "good cause" doesn't change the rules and make it right.
There are a trillion of charities on the internet. Anybody can donate to what ever cause they want at any time. The fact that a item raffle was approved to bring in more donators to this particular "good cause" shows that the people who approved this raffle believe the in game items have REAL money value. Just as any other raffle is.
The people who are in charge of any raffle have items for people to win. People generally donate/play at a chance to win these items of value (granted some do it out of the kindness of their heart but that isn't the majority).
I'm not against this raffle, what I am against is people who make a MEGA FUCK TON LOAD of rules and then when they want turn their head on them it seems to be no problem~

[Korben]

Originally Posted by Wookiewoowoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because the raffle has a "good cause" doesn't change the rules and make it right.

As it turns out, the staff can do whatever the fuck they want with their server

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Wookiewoowoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The server demands zero RMT.
Yet a RMR (real money raffle) was setup. It doesn't matter who the money was for, REAL money was used for a in game item raffle.
If the raffle was for items OUTSIDE of the game this would have been fine (new laptop,tablet, etc...).
Just because the raffle has a "good cause" doesn't change the rules and make it right.
There are a trillion of charities on the internet. Anybody can donate to what ever cause they want at any time. The fact that a item raffle was approved to bring in more donators to this particular "good cause" shows that the people who approved this raffle believe the in game items have REAL money value. Just as any other raffle is.
The people who are in charge of any raffle have items for people to win. People generally donate/play at a chance to win these items of value (granted some do it out of the kindness of their heart but that isn't the majority).
I'm not against this raffle, what I am against is people who make a MEGA FUCK TON LOAD of rules and then when they want turn their head on them it seems to be no problem~

Originally Posted by Korben

As it turns out, the staff can do whatever the fuck they want with their server

Sums it up nicely. I feel like you must have been banned for RMT to be getting this worked up over a positive use of the server like this. I am sorry that you don't agree with it but it's not your box and you don't make the rules. We all sat down and agreed we wanted this to go through as long as we could make sure it was legitimate on all sides, and thats exactly what we did.

That should really be sufficient. Clearly the RMT rules are there for specific reasons - blocking fundraisers for children's cancer foundations is not one of them

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thx p99 for saving dying children <3

[Korben]

Originally Posted by wwoneo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you not understand that this concept parallels the concept of RMT? This "charity" sounds a lot like something RMT sellers would come up with in order to launder their goods.

You're a retard.

Signed, the entire community.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're a retard.

Signed, the entire community.

Spoken like a true academic.

[iruinedyourday]

hbd sirks!

[Jaxon]

The geometry of RMT.

The Old RMT: God's Circle

Here we have the perfection and natural beauty of a circle; an all natural and 100% organic shape with goods and money flowing proportionally between buyer and seller. This is absolute verifiable truth and provable fact. This harmonious arrangement was declared illegal by the server staff, who have denied nature and defied the gods. They have stopped at nothing to disrupt the natural evolution of the economy.

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The New RMT: Satan's Open Triangle

This state of affairs could not last long. With the disruption of the RMT cycle the collapse of the server was imminent. Ultimately realizing their folly, the staff developed a new RMT scheme in an attempt to save the server, but it had a fatal flaw. Instead of returning to the rotating harmonic of circular RMT they have created the abomination of the "open triangle." This profane construction is an unsupported Satan shape. It breaks nature's LAW of simultaneous RMT enrichment. It is destined to collapse and will collapse.

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The Future RMT

When the staff realize the magnitude of their sin they will strive to prop open their foolish scheme with a third leg instead of returning to God's circle RMT. What hells lie in store for us in the future?

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