Question about item camp handoffs

[Lolenlionheart]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

Thank you for clarifying it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I have experienced a camp holder saying that SOMEONE from his guild were next, but he couldnt tell me who, since noone was online at that time, and he would give it to the first who came on...

I asked to be on the list - got told that it eould be AFTER a guildie of his came online.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change the list after telling you who is next. Something that on one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next on the list or if you can be next on the list. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be placed next on the list and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

So I have to have someone in mind to pass off camp to immediately after I begin camping? I'm not a big fan of lists. I usually ignore people asking about them, because i camp till I'm done and when I'm done I generally ask guild if they would like to take before I give it to a random. Doing it wrong huh?

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I have to have someone in mind to pass off camp to immediately after I begin camping? I'm not a big fan of lists. I usually ignore people asking about them, because i camp till I'm done and when I'm done I generally ask guild if they would like to take before I give it to a random. Doing it wrong huh?

If someone has been waiting, it'd be the nicer alternative to give them a shot, imo. Especially considering the majority of your guild is working up their 17-20th alt.

[Ravager]

Too bad casinos are banned; we could start a pool on how many posts until someone from the red server tells you to just kill the person and take their camp.

[Holdath]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too bad casinos are banned; we could start a pool on how many posts until someone from the red server tells you to just kill the person and take their camp.

I play on blue and just started recently, and after seeing the childish bickering over camps in these forums, I'm re-rolling this weekend. This is madness. From a new player looking in from the out, I can't even describe how unappealing this makes the blue server look. Lists? Lines? hand offs to your ass kissing brohams? Not a chance, thanks but no thanks

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If someone has been waiting, it'd be the nicer alternative to give them a shot, imo. Especially considering the majority of your guild is working up their 17-20th alt.

Oh be quiet. The only thing I camp, ever, is VP key pieces for, yes, my alts and I don't think I'm ever doing that again. What exactly makes your non-guildie main more important than my alt though?

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh be quiet. The only thing I camp, ever, is VP key pieces for, yes, my alts and I don't think I'm ever doing that again. What exactly makes your non-guildie main more important than my alt though?

I think anyone's main is more important than anyone's alt. Regardless, if the guy is sitting there waiting, you can at least tell him to shove off that they have a line already. If you camp out before your guildy gets there, tough luck.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I have to have someone in mind to pass off camp to immediately after I begin camping? I'm not a big fan of lists. I usually ignore people asking about them, because i camp till I'm done and when I'm done I generally ask guild if they would like to take before I give it to a random. Doing it wrong huh?

This is the way I (and nearly everyone I know on the server) have done it--minus the part about having someone in mind to pass off camp from the very beginning.

As a qualification, if some newbie is asking when I'm going to be done (which is usually the question), my answer is nearly always until I get it. Then, they ask to be notified when I leave. Then when I leave, I do /who all newbie. If he/she's not online, then I offer to a guildie. But I have never even considered who I might pass my camp off to when I sit down to kill my first placeholder.

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I ignore those line requests, simply because I have ALOT more sympathy for the random guy who did literally walk up, SPEAK with me, and wait with me until my spawn drops what I'm camping. That's who I will generally pass my camp off to, even if I would prefer to keep it with guildies. The guy exping in a different zone waiting for his camp to be served, sorry. It's not my responsibility to track you down.

Agree with this too.

[Widan]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The next person on the camp list had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

Does that mean this nonsense: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=167367 is going to be addressed then?

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does that mean this nonsense: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=167367 is going to be addressed then?

Yea I'd like to know how Blitzkragg can get away with holding Tranix for WEEKS at a time doing the exact thing Derubael just said you can't do.

"You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp."