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10-21-2014, 07:53 PM
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10-21-2014, 09:32 PM
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you people are miserable
Reading the raid forum is a fairly depressing thing to do for several reasons. First, the degree of spite that exists among our server’s guild leaders is shameful. Second, our server’s guild leaders display a frightening deficiency in logical reasoning. I will give the CS staff a pass when they occasionally say illogical things, because they are having to weigh through so much irrelevant information that it is undoubtedly difficult to parse. Third, our raid forums gives the main stream media a run for its money in terms of perpetuating misinformation and out-right lies.
Catherine's post is a perfect example: As a preliminary, the notion that being in the “wrong place” is by itself a raid violation worthy of a suspension is an extreme position to say the least. Something more is needed. Generally, the conduct must CAUSE a wrong. Thus, for raid interference to occur, you need a dragon to spawn and you need that person who is wrongly positioned to effect the dragon. This argument sort of reminds me of Taken’s (surprise, surprise) previous position in the last dispute that their disregard of an FTE message was justified because of other player’s "illegal aggro" from being too slow to the draw on a jav. It is a conclusion that is so stupid, that it is perhaps difficult for Sirken and company to anticipate. But even if you take the position that Sirken was essentially saying that no person shall ever pass within aggro range of Sev's spawn point during the 16 hour window, you still have to get around his use of the word "park." And then also his use of the term “poop socking the raid location,” and then his reference to persons getting FTE. These other words suggest that Sirken was simply saying that if guilds continue to sit on the spawn point and coth duck, action will be taken. No matter how you cut it, Sirken’s statement very, very likely was not intended to suggest that a player is not allowed to show a new person Sev's spawn location at the beginning of his window. This falls well short of "parking," or "poopsocking," or getting FTE. Now if Sev spawned and they got aggro… that is something else entirely. But the real problem with this whole scenario is the fact that Catherine misrepresented her/himself (so many rumors I generally have no idea) to Derubael. What he did constitutes misrepresentation because he deliberately used the evidence to create an inference that Ferment was at that spot when he coth’d Yibz to get fte. I know he wasn’t because I was bind site on him 30 minutes from the spawn and the entire group of Cother’s were all hanging out together coth ducking. Prove it you say? Of course, this is P99 where you have to prove that another person’s accusation is false. Nevermind the fact that Sev’s window lasted 15ish hours; and that if TMO mages really “poopsocked” such that it gave them an advantage at the 2 hour mark, there would be a heck of a lot of guilds freaking out about it and taking pictures and fraps. Misery loves company. But all this is besides the point… because what these leaders need to do is grow the fuck up. If someone is in the wrong spot tell them, allow them to move to the right spot. Tell others in their guild that they need to wake up and move. We can compete against each other in a friendly way. I can guarantee you that if someone in our guild was notified we would freak out and get it fixed, because its just tragic when 4 people spend 16 hours of their life coth ducking and its all for not because they were being ignorant and were in the wrong spot. You might say, “it’s not my responsibility,” Dolic; I am a douche bag and I like being a douche bag. If that’s the case, then be that way. Let it all unfold and if TMO engages sev in an improper way, let TMO get suspended. Or petition a GM and waste his time, when it could all get resolved in a simple way and we can move on. The current rules have us coth ducking on weekends like a bunch of pathetic low lifes. At least we can have some civility towards one another, and compete honestly. Instead many of our guilds are run by nerds that with gigantic pixilated chips on their shoulders: You have Catherine misrepresenting herself to the CS staff. You have Chest jumping in to say “TMO was defiant and trolled in response, never moved, and benefited from it.” Chest is a true believer so its hard to fault him for being psychotic. But even then, how can TMO troll when they didn’t say anything—Catherine deliberately didn’t show their response to her! And then, of course, he is a liar or just makes stuff up, where he says we benefited from it. (see evidence of eventual FTE’er being out of antonian jav range). Perhaps he too like the rest of you don’t understand what cause and effect is. Thankfully, Argh of A Team is a lone champion of clear thought fighting the good fight (i.e. he knows what the word disrupt means). But his clear thought is murdered by Artaenc, who suggests a 2 week raid suspension for this “clear violation.” Drakakade… im not sure what he is trying to say, but I think he too misses the point as he assumes that TMO was “poopsocking.” In short, this minor fucking incident that in no way causally effected Sev’s FTE has spawned a three page raid forum discussion amongst brain dead guild leaders. It produced 3 responses from Derubeal, each one as long as this God damn ridiculously long post. At this point, I kind of hate all of you. Mostly because I know I've stepped into your arena, and I am woefully unprepared to do battle on your very low level. Maybe I should just go red. Dolic | ||
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10-21-2014, 09:48 PM
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you're a moron
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10-21-2014, 10:01 PM
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