holo vs holo

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by derpcake [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you would be the one to set the limit for opposing guilds?

Nice.

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i didn't say anything about a specific guild size being the correct or right guild size for this server.

[mostbitter]

Asking holocaust to fight against 30 vp geared characters with 16vp geared characters and 14 level 50s in rags isn't exactly some kind of fair fight either. I think that's about the dumbest argument you could possibly through out considering that at that time holocaust had roughly 16 members to azraels 35-40+.

If you look at it that way they aren't even using the same % of members over Azrael that Azrael used over them. Pretty much any way you look at it this all started when Azrael shit the bed.

Das i thought you where an alright guy but obviously you are drinking the cool aid big time over there which is what most people do in that guild and when you don't live in reality sometimes you have to escape it to live in denial and that is why you won't see azrael contesting long term or trying to recruit and contest.

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asking holocaust to fight against 30 vp geared characters with 16vp geared characters and 14 level 50s in rags isn't exactly some kind of fair fight either. I think that's about the dumbest argument you could possibly through out considering that at that time holocaust had roughly 16 members to azraels 35-40+.

If you look at it that way they aren't even using the same % of members over Azrael that Azrael used over them. Pretty much any way you look at it this all started when Azrael shit the bed.

Das i thought you where an alright guy but obviously you are drinking the cool aid big time over there which is what most people do in that guild and when you don't live in reality sometimes you have to escape it to live in denial and that is why you won't see azrael contesting long term or trying to recruit and contest.

that makes sense.. i can understand why holo would need more toons to contest based on the gear differential.

i know it seems like i am drinking the AZ koolaid but i really am not. The reason i have issues with holocaust is because how their zerg has affected me personally on the server. It has nothing to do with how it has affected azrael's pixels.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that makes sense.. i can understand why holo would need more toons to contest based on the gear differential.

i know it seems like i am drinking the AZ koolaid but i really am not. The reason i have issues with holocaust is because how their zerg has affected me personally on the server. It has nothing to do with how it has affected azrael's pixels.

If people won't level with you because you don't have a tag then you weren't friends with them. I leveled with people that weren't in Nihilum all the time and I didn't even know them prior. It isn't Colgate's fault your "friends" kill you on sight in this game.

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If people won't level with you because you don't have a tag then you weren't friends with them. I leveled with people that weren't in Nihilum all the time and I didn't even know them prior. It isn't Colgate's fault your "friends" kill you on sight in this game.

naw, the people i am friends with don't kill me on site. but the number of actual friends i have in holocaust compared to the total number of people in holocause is like 5%.

[Sektor]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asking holocaust to fight against 30 vp geared characters with 16vp geared characters and 14 level 50s in rags isn't exactly some kind of fair fight either. I think that's about the dumbest argument you could possibly through out considering that at that time holocaust had roughly 16 members to azraels 35-40+.

If you look at it that way they aren't even using the same % of members over Azrael that Azrael used over them. Pretty much any way you look at it this all started when Azrael shit the bed.

Das i thought you where an alright guy but obviously you are drinking the cool aid big time over there which is what most people do in that guild and when you don't live in reality sometimes you have to escape it to live in denial and that is why you won't see azrael contesting long term or trying to recruit and contest.

Level 30s have no say on these forums.

[mostbitter]

Originally Posted by Sektor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Level 30s have no say on these forums.

Rmt king pins have no credibility anywhere, except for azrael.

[Pikrib]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rmt king pins have no credibility anywhere, except for azrael.

^was in Nihilum run by RMT king pin.

[mostbitter]

I think you're biggest problem is that you for some reason think that you have some hidden insight over other people and that it gives you the right to dictate how other people are playing the game. Was it competitive when Azrael was rolling 40+ deep against 15 people? Why is it less competitive now that you have 60v40 with the 40 holding a significant gear/level/cohesive advantage?

Shouldn't 40 people who have been playing together for almost 3 years be able to compete against a poorly geared and newly formed opponent even if they're a bit larger? Did you ever watch the gorenaire fight when 50 nihilum beat a combined force of 80 az/rd?

What you're saying honestly I think it's coming from a place of emotion and not logic. Azrael was doing all the scummy bullshit when they had the top spot. Ran around smashing groups of 4 with 14, preventing anyone from enjoying a GM run event and probably from the server ever seeing another one, and killed raid mobs as they spawned without any contest.

Now holocaust doesn't have 15 members and they show up to contest and somehow they're the bad guys because they didn't sit idle and let another group of players dictate their strategies for them?

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by mostbitter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're biggest problem is that you for some reason think that you have some hidden insight over other people and that it gives you the right to dictate how other people are playing the game. Was it competitive when Azrael was rolling 40+ deep against 15 people? Why is it less competitive now that you have 60v40 with the 40 holding a significant gear/level/cohesive advantage?

Shouldn't 40 people who have been playing together for almost 3 years be able to compete against a poorly geared and newly formed opponent even if they're a bit larger? Did you ever watch the gorenaire fight when 50 nihilum beat a combined force of 80 az/rd?

What you're saying honestly I think it's coming from a place of emotion and not logic. Azrael was doing all the scummy bullshit when they had the top spot. Ran around smashing groups of 4 with 14, preventing anyone from enjoying a GM run event and probably from the server ever seeing another one, and killed raid mobs as they spawned without any contest.

Now holocaust doesn't have 15 members and they show up to contest and somehow they're the bad guys because they didn't sit idle and let another group of players dictate their strategies for them?

ok, so my only question then is whats next? Does holo keep all the members they have and continue to kill all dragons?

should azrael recruit?