holo vs holo

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Eslade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would you have to bind keys for 40 people. Not everybody needs shaman buffs. And what kergan said was right, shamans aren't all that important to mass pvp.

I prefer to keep every melee and healer fully buffed encase pvp occurs, and I believe every class has crucial role to play in pvp when played correctly each class add's to the synergy of the raid.

A tashed malo'd target is finished in mass pvp and it's great way to get rid of the enemies bards.

[Mac Drettj]

Not enough room for "Gongshow", so we abbreviated:

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[Kergan]

You could probably afk during a PVP attack and be fine, not like shamans get focused until the end.

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You could probably afk during a PVP attack and be fine, not like shamans get focused until the end.

Well i would never even consider that especially when malo and dots are crucial in mass pvp. Dot a melee and he can't stop to cure in mass pvp or he gets tagged by all our melee's.

My goal in is not to be a warm body in my guild but actually help turn the tides of any engagement, whether thru healing malo'ing or doting the enemy.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well i would never even consider that especially when malo and dots are crucial in mass pvp. Dot a melee and he can't stop to cure in mass pvp or he gets tagged by all our melee's.

My goal in is not to be a warm body in my guild but actually help turn the tides of any engagement, whether thru healing malo'ing or doting the enemy.

If you're casting any spells besides superior healing and annul magic (I'll concede torpor in very specific circumstances) in a mass PVP fight you're doing it wrong. I guess some canni's would be ok too.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're casting any spells besides superior healing and annul magic (I'll concede torpor in very specific circumstances) in a mass PVP fight you're doing it wrong. I guess some canni's would be ok too.

Necros should be using low mana dots on non-MA targets to whittle their health down, while using an /assist-pet-attack macro (where no trains are involved). Necros oom way too fast due to overpriced dots.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Necros should be using low mana dots on non-MA targets to whittle their health down, while using an /assist-pet-attack macro (where no trains are involved). Necros oom way too fast due to overpriced dots.

Missed the part on 'depends on what class you are playing'.

heh

[Burgerking]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're casting any spells besides superior healing and annul magic (I'll concede torpor in very specific circumstances) in a mass PVP fight you're doing it wrong. I guess some canni's would be ok too.

I'm sorry but I just generally disagree, in every skilled pvp fight I've ever been in it was important for a shaman to pair with an enc to malo/tash knock out high priority targets. A shaman is not a cleric and shouldn't be played like one. Everyone should be dispelling with pumice on called targets.

You cannot just drop torpors in mass pvp the snare effect will be the death of someone. Every spell is very situational and there is no blanket role for a shaman in pvp. You should be dispelling, healing when needed, maloing, hell even a cripple on a cleric is the end of them when snare/encumbered. While a well timed bane of nife can force a bard out of fight and drop an entire group without speed support.

A shaman is a highly versatile class, who's role can change in the blink of an eye pvp. Sure you can play them like a buff/heal bot but you'll never be a great shaman playing that way and are failing your guild by not using all the weapons at you're classes disposal.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Burgerking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but I just generally disagree, in every skilled pvp fight I've ever been in it was important for a shaman to pair with an enc to malo/tash knock out high priority targets. A shaman is not a cleric and shouldn't be played like one. Everyone should be dispelling with pumice on called targets.

You cannot just drop torpors in mass pvp the snare effect will be the death of someone. Every spell is very situational and there is no blanket role for a shaman in pvp. You should be dispelling, healing when needed, maloing, hell even a cripple on a cleric is the end of them when snare/encumbered. While a well timed bane of nife can force a bard out of fight and drop an entire group without speed support.

A shaman is a highly versatile class, who's role can change in the blink of an eye pvp. Sure you can play them like a buff/heal bot but you'll never be a great shaman playing that way and are failing your guild by not using all the weapons at you're classes disposal.

I was pretty clear about torpor being very situational.

Every mana point you spend not on a heal or annul magic is a net loss in efficiency. There is no time to setup coordinated bullshit like tash/malo/cripple in a mass pvp fight. In smaller scale shit I'm 100% on board, an ench/shm combo can be fucking retarded with str debuffs and double MR debuffs.

Dropping a dot in mass pvp means you're either not focus dispelling the called target and relying on melees clicking pumice or casters who can actually nuke doing it (bad), or you're dotting a target who is about to be gibbed by people assisting (bad), or in a best case scenario you're dropping a dot on someone not focused who can click it off and you've wasted a huge chunk of mana (bad).

Malo is basically the same deal, either its hitting someone who is going down like a ton of bricks in about 2 seconds regardless or its hitting someone not taking damage at all. Same thing with cripple, etc. Add to that the first thing that is going to happen to someone getting focused is a bunch of dispells that are gonna get rid of your debuffs anyway.

Mass PVP is all about simplifying what you're doing so the higher percentage of people can be successful. Most people are pretty bad at this shit.

[Drakaris]

Holo has a good balance of players. The ex-blaze members have done an excellent job running small scale groups while the holo officers (gongshow, terp, wasp and Colgate) have done an excellent job co-ordinating the raids.

Would like to see more of their heavy hitters playing defence on their exp groups and putting a bit more pressure on azrael gank crews, but I guess it is happening to a degree.