Does Hybrid Penalty (still) apply to group?

[Mcbard]

Originally Posted by Tol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like EQ more because the leveling processes is: "kill 2 mobs, afk 10 minutes to do laundry and study". I am more productive around the house and get more done when playing solo classes in EQ than virtually any other time. Yay downtime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've never really had any downtime soloing as a bard here, or as a necromancer on live. Maybe you're doing it wrong (right?). :P

[Kich]

Originally Posted by Sethius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing wrong with playing how you want, but I have a hard time understanding why you are not playing WoW instead of EQ with that mindset... you certainly exhibit the characteristics of almost everyone in my old WoW guild.

No offense, just an observation and opinion. WoW is a good game too, for people that like that sort of thing.

As for you liking the challenge of doing the hard stuff, I can respect that.

Typecasting the WoW playerbase as loot hungry min-maxers is a bit naive. Of the ~13 million users, 10 (or more) million of those players have little to no interest in raiding and the like. A good portion of that group is deeply in love with the story of the game, and a smaller portion of THAT portion intimately play on RP servers (I may be wrong about that demographic, I've never been on one, but I do know there are at least a few incredibly large and popular RP servers).

It sounds like you were probably in a hardcore raiding guild, or one that wanted to be, of which there are only about a dozen per server of the hundreds (perhaps thousandish) guilds per server.

(In other words, the hardcore min-maxing scene (which I'm absolutely a part of in that game) is actually very small.)

In regards to EQ, I can understand why he plays it over WoW. Especially in regards to the challenge and power an individual can attain in this game depending on the class. In WoW, there is no real challenge in the outside world, nor in dungeons. It only really hits in raids and even then a lot of it is actually pretty easy conceptually. EQ has a steep difficulty curve, not only that the mobs in the game drop interesting loot (something a game like WoW seriously lacks, their items are bound to stat budgets and level requirements and they're all basically the same thing with "change x to y" certain stat).

Understandably, at some point in the EQ timeline, gear starts becoming ridiculous and every piece of high end gear was just a massive increase to all stats and had no real flavor to it, but I don't think this server reaches that point.

However, Tol, you may have inspired me to make a Bard =P

[Sethius]

Originally Posted by Kich [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Typecasting the WoW playerbase as loot hungry min-maxers is a bit naive. Of the ~13 million users, 10 (or more) million of those players have little to no interest in raiding and the like. A good portion of that group is deeply in love with the story of the game, and a smaller portion of THAT portion intimately play on RP servers (I may be wrong about that demographic, I've never been on one, but I do know there are at least a few incredibly large and popular RP servers).

It sounds like you were probably in a hardcore raiding guild, or one that wanted to be, of which there are only about a dozen per server of the hundreds (perhaps thousandish) guilds per server.

(In other words, the hardcore min-maxing scene (which I'm absolutely a part of in that game) is actually very small.)

In regards to EQ, I can understand why he plays it over WoW. Especially in regards to the challenge and power an individual can attain in this game depending on the class. In WoW, there is no real challenge in the outside world, nor in dungeons. It only really hits in raids and even then a lot of it is actually pretty easy conceptually. EQ has a steep difficulty curve, not only that the mobs in the game drop interesting loot (something a game like WoW seriously lacks, their items are bound to stat budgets and level requirements and they're all basically the same thing with "change x to y" certain stat).

Understandably, at some point in the EQ timeline, gear starts becoming ridiculous and every piece of high end gear was just a massive increase to all stats and had no real flavor to it, but I don't think this server reaches that point.

However, Tol, you may have inspired me to make a Bard =P

I was the guild leader of a guild that raided 5 nights a week, doing all the top end raids. I stopped playing maybe a few weeks before we did lich king, and handed leadership off to one of my officers. We were not competing for the top spots on the server, but we did well, and had a lot of respect.

I'm not trying to typecast WoW players, but the game is built to cater to min-maxers. EQ is also built to cater to min-maxers, but the game is 11 years old now, and anyone who is coming back here is probably coming back for nostalgia when min-max gameplay was not even heard of and not due to a min-max idea. Playing an 11 year old game is the opposite of the min-maxer mentality, especially given the culture that once surrounded EQ so many years ago.

[Extunarian]

He might be referring to a camp with only one or two mobs. I know I got a lot done from 38-40 when I just camped that Gypsy in Rathe Mtns. 7 minute timer, 3 nukes to kill her. Lots of afk time and great XP.

[guineapig]

Once you realize you will never be the first to do anything on an emulated server
and there is no way to really prove you are "the best" at anything,
the game becomes a lot more fun.

[Thac0]

To be brutally honest this server has way too many people that made a toon because they try to min-max but suck horribly at the game any way (Shadow Knights that don't disease cloud come to mind).

If you know your class, know how to play and are fun to play with, there is no "penalty". Id rather group with someone fun and knows how to play rather than a min maxing asshole that doesn't.

I just fine it funny that the same so called min maxers are the same people who are the first to wait an hour for a port (when it could have been quicker just to run) or just as long finding a non hybrid tank when they could have got a hybrid tank and made the exp back and had fun doing so.

[Kckelley]

The only thing that people need to min/max is their own skill.

[Trademaster]

I think, min-maxing in the classic EQ arena is less game-changing than in WoW. Move 2 points of int into another stat for a caster and caster is going to have maybe one less spell than its counterpart who has what they believe as "the best" build. In that sense, a good player in EQ has learned how to utilize their skills well, whereas for a lot of WoW content, it doesn't matter if you're good or bad, but rather what your "gearscore" equates to in dungeon capability.

Of course there are exceptions in both games, I know one druid in WoW that is woefully inadequate in gearscore that I would happily take along on even the most heoric of end game content as he continually is able to accomplish things that would be impossible to the vast majority of WoW players with a similar load out. Just as I'm sure there are players here with fully decked out toons that have problems trying to defeat even a baby blue Mob.