Rules Lawyers: the Myconid Spore King

[Korben]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This discussion has split into two different scenarios:

1. Does a second group have the right to "camp" closer to King and claim it, or force the first group to move closer, even though the first group is already using a train away/sneak pull method through jail to the tube room?

2. Does a tube room King group have the exclusive right to monopolize jail/LZO/shrooms even though they do not kill any of those mobs and can they prevent a second group from camping those mobs that the first group doesn't want killed?

2.5 Does the tube room King group that was there first have to change its train/pull strategy to avoid endangering a later arriving LZO group?

My thoughts:

1: A group who does this is nothing but scum. It's camped, come back later.

2: People will argue both sides and I'm honestly conflicted, but one thing I am sure about is that killing the mobs just to cock block the tube group means you're a scumbag.

2.5: Again something that I doubt can be argued black and white, but I personally feel that if your arrival severely degrades or stops the primary goal of what another group is doing all together, perhaps as mature adults everyone involved should try to reach an agreement, usually I would hope that favors the group that was there originally.

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My thoughts:


2: People will argue both sides and I'm honestly conflicted, but one thing I am sure about is that killing the mobs just to cock block the tube group means you're a scumbag.

this. while it may be legitimate in the rules. there is virtually no reason as to why a group would move into that area just for exp mobs unless it was going for the king camp. dont even try to say that you want your chance at a cobalt bracer or something.

[Freakish]

Argument 2 is bad. Nobody kills jail / trash shrooms for fun/exp. You kill there because you can pull myconid spore king at the same time.
I would say anyone has the right to camp ilis jail / whatever mobs in the surrounding area as long as they are not being kept down. You would have no right to the king spawn. And you're an asshat because everyone involved knows you're only killing so you can rule lawyer another group out of the camp.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Argument 2 is bad. Nobody kills jail / trash shrooms for fun/exp. You kill there because you can pull myconid spore king at the same time.
I would say anyone has the right to camp ilis jail / whatever mobs in the surrounding area as long as they are not being kept down. You would have no right to the king spawn. And you're an asshat because everyone involved knows you're only killing so you can rule lawyer another group out of the camp.

The second scenario does not pull King, just the stuff tube King group is purposefully not killing.

Are we now judging legitimate camps by whether or not exp/loot is better in another location?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The second scenario does not pull King, just the stuff tube King group is purposefully not killing.

Are we now judging legitimate camps by whether or not exp/loot is better in another location?

If this is the case everyone should get out of Overthere except bards. Cause OT is terrible exp outside of a bard AE kiting...

[Korben]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Argument 2 is bad. Nobody kills jail / trash shrooms for fun/exp. You kill there because you can pull myconid spore king at the same time.
I would say anyone has the right to camp ilis jail / whatever mobs in the surrounding area as long as they are not being kept down. You would have no right to the king spawn. And you're an asshat because everyone involved knows you're only killing so you can rule lawyer another group out of the camp.

Absolutely agree.

What % of the population is honestly sitting there bored, and decides to build a group to kill jail/whatever non see invis mobs 'for the classic experience bro'? 0?

[teija]

Originally Posted by derubael

You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it.

Lets get this thread back on track, as I quoted before this is derubael words from the play nice policy (SERVER RULES).

I think we can all agree that the "tube room" is nowhere fkin near the "king camp". This would be like claiming crypt from NG, or say LCY in karnor's from the fkin entrance of zone. Noone is going to let u claim LCY when u say "me and a buddy are pulling that camp to entrance"

[Korben]

Originally Posted by teija [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets get this thread back on track, as I quoted before this is derubael words from the play nice policy (SERVER RULES).

I think we can all agree that the "tube room" is nowhere fkin near the "king camp". This would be like claiming crypt from NG, or say LCY in karnor's from the fkin entrance of zone. Noone is going to let u claim LCY when u say "me and a buddy are pulling that camp to entrance"

I feel that applying this specific rule to this specific method of pulling King camp is just a way of putting blinders on and ignoring common decency and courtesy in regards to your fellow players.

They are there camping ONE SPECIFIC mob and you want to steal their ONE SPECIFIC mob and are looking for any excuse to steal their ONE SPECIFIC mob, because you feel that you are entitled to fucking people out of a camp because of an interpretation of the general rules.

[teija]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel that applying this specific rule to this specific method of pulling King camp is just a way of putting blinders on and ignoring common decency and courtesy in regards to your fellow players.

The server rules are very clear on this. if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn in order to hold it.

tell me korben do you think the "tube room" is near the king camp? I think not.

Not everyone is a douchebag rule lawyer, a grp of 5-6 friends may just be looking for some fun/exp and mabey some loot, and while every fkin camp is seb is camped your sitting in your tube room pulling one mob and claiming the other 30 trash/exp mobs while not even touching them.

[Freakish]

I covered that. I said the second group is welcome to do that. There's very little logic in doing so unless you want king. Have you ever joined a king group that had trouble pulling ph and said 'Let's just kill the trash'? I haven't. It's pull king or move to disco / ng / disband.