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[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I started out, it wasn't me looking for design. I started by just observing all of the things taking place. Orbit of the planets, cells and building blocks of life, physics and all of the natural laws, you name it. Countless months just contemplating questions that came to mind after observing the world in which we live.

After a while I started to look at how perfect it all was. While I don't believe anyone can perfectly calculate the odds of all of these laws, all of these coincidences, I know that the odds are ridiculous. When I think about the probability of all of these things just happening by chance, I rule that as impossible. When I removed the impossible, what remains is the truth (in my mind of course).

When I came to the conclusion that a creator of some sort must exist then I started going back to revisit the various religions. Could any of them have any truth? Keep in mind the first 3 decades of my life said absolutely not. I'm currently a Christian - probably a toddler, maybe even an infant in my faith. If I'm unable to reconcile some of my current struggles with the faith then I'll move on and look at other religions for answers.

You clearly didn't read my reply to you last night otherwise you wouldn't be speaking of "chance" from a position of authority.

There is no such things as chance/luck, they are human concepts. Probability/odds, yes.

[G13]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly didn't read my reply to you last night otherwise you wouldn't be speaking of "chance" from a position of authority.

There is no such things as chance/luck, they are human concepts. Probability/odds, yes.

Probability does not work in Evolution' favor

Quite the contrary actually

You lying fucking fraud

[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You clearly didn't read my reply to you last night otherwise you wouldn't be speaking of "chance" from a position of authority.

There is no such things as chance/luck, they are human concepts. Probability/odds, yes.

"While I don't believe anyone can perfectly calculate the odds of all of these laws, all of these coincidences, I know that the odds are ridiculous."

So did you read my post? My whole decision for believing in a creator was examining the odds. What are the odds that all of this came about in just the perfect way? Each law requiring such exact perfection with such low tolerance for error. The odds are so ridiculous that I just can't believe that we live in that 1[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]hugefuckingnumber) that came through.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I think about the probability of all of these things just happening by chance, I rule that as impossible. When I removed the impossible, what remains is the truth (in my mind of course).

Ruling that out as impossible is jumping to a conclusion without sufficient evidence. I'm not saying it's true by pointing this out to you, just that it's not intellectually honest or a sound and rational conclusion to reach.

Just because you believe something to be true in your mind doesn't mean it's true in reality. Something is either true or it isn't, regardless of how much you want to believe it to be.

[paulgiamatti]

[QUOTE=paulgiamatti;1624002]just that it's not intellectually honest or a sound and rational conclusion to reach.

*just that ruling it out is not intellectually honest or a sound and rational conclusion to reach.

[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ruling that out as impossible is jumping to a conclusion without sufficient evidence. I'm not saying it's true by pointing this out to you, just that it's not intellectually honest or a sound and rational conclusion to reach.

Just because you believe something to be true in your mind doesn't mean it's true in reality. Something is either true or it isn't, regardless of how much you want to believe it to be.

There is no definitive answer. You look through a lens and apply your thoughts and you come up with (shit, I dont even know what exactly you claim to believe).

On the other hand, I look at the world around me and the facts available to me, apply my thoughts and I come up with a different opinion. I can provide steps on how I got here and why it's not completely absurd. Somehow though, I'm immoral in my thoughts because I came up with a different answer.

I swore I wouldn't stick around for this stuff. I honestly don't care if you change your mind. I just don't think it's asinine or immoral to reach my conclusion.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I started out, it wasn't me looking for design. I started by just observing all of the things taking place. Orbit of the planets, cells and building blocks of life, physics and all of the natural laws, you name it. Countless months just contemplating questions that came to mind after observing the world in which we live.

After a while I started to look at how perfect it all was. While I don't believe anyone can perfectly calculate the odds of all of these laws, all of these coincidences, I know that the odds are ridiculous. When I think about the probability of all of these things just happening by chance, I rule that as impossible. When I removed the impossible, what remains is the truth (in my mind of course).

When I came to the conclusion that a creator of some sort must exist then I started going back to revisit the various religions. Could any of them have any truth? Keep in mind the first 3 decades of my life said absolutely not. I'm currently a Christian - probably a toddler, maybe even an infant in my faith. If I'm unable to reconcile some of my current struggles with the faith then I'll move on and look at other religions for answers.

You have just described the model of critical thinking.
I applaud you.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have just described the model of non-thinking.
I applaud you.

Fixed.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have just described the model of critical thinking.
I applaud you.

You have just conflated critical thinking with logical fallacy.
I abhor you.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So how about a super intelligent entity being the creator of it all? Is that rational and logical to you? Remove divine and supernatural -- would you conclude that evidence points toward these rules being established by some entity?

Or the ship has already sailed and no matter how hard you look at this scenario, someone putting all these laws and rules into place is simply impossible?

That's stillman explanation without evidence. It's akin to claiming that Thor exists because lightning.