Shammy - Barb vs Troll

[iruinedyourday]

EQ is very smart, they made the races just enough different to make people with OCD go insane. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[nilmerg]

It mostly came down to looks. I just happen to like the way a Troll looks better than the other shaman races [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[justin2090]

Ogre because regen doesn't mean shit when you got torpor

[Potus]

1-59 sucks without Regen.

[iruinedyourday]

I would never disagree that regen is great. But anything but Fungi is just a placebo

Ask your self, would you spend 20k for an iskar BP if you couldnt afford a Fungi?

if the answer is yes, then roll a Ogre because that means you care too much about game play effects that arnt really game changing and will eventually be so bummed you didnt omit frontal stun from your eq.

If no, then roll which ever class will make you RP the hardest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do kinda wish I rolled a troll instead of barb. Not at all for the regen, but for the siiiiiick full plate graphic omg.

but i must not discount the Eyepatch.... that is a racial attribute that is arguably more valuable than even if you were to combine stunimmune+regen!

What we're getting at guys is Shaman is a class worth playing to 60 twice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What we're getting at guys is Shaman is a class worth playing to 60 twice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Amen. And having done it twice myself (once on live, once here), I'm now seriously considering doing it a third time just so I can try a non-Barbarian race.

[Daldaen]

Yea we had shamans wearing Fungi through PoP (given they were unlucky and didn't win Lunar Fungus Tunic from VT).

Until you were able to cap regeneration through a variety of other items, it kept its value. Even with Torpor and Quiessence.

No stat is really more valuable than HP regen for a shaman unless, as Byrjun states, you need resist. Even then, with a classic 255 resist cap you can pretty easily hit or get close by swapping out other gear (especially with a bard). I'd tend to argue Fungi's 15 regen beats out Vindi BP's 2 + 100 HP/15STA/15Resists. Unless you're in a fight where you need the resists or when your maximum HP absolutely must be up there because the mob you're fighting hits so hard.

In a general raid with trash or a grind group or soloing against mobs that don't summon or do but don't hit like a truck, Fungi will outperform and allow you to cast and do more than Vindi BP will.

[iruinedyourday]

You do not need class attributes to do anything at 60.

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Period

PERIOD

60 wins fights because of it's level not avoiding one stun fighting 4 green low blue mobs being click dotted to death. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kender]

Barbie

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[Byrjun]

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Whoa, wonder if that's the same Scowls I knew.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the JBB is over valued when people discuss Ikky shaman, it is not better than just 1 more epic click.. JBB becomes a toy at 50 so, ikky IMO (and moreso with velious gear) will be the strongest of all the shamans (if you are a min max nerd - which I am 100% not).

It's not a toy, it's your primary source of damage if you're not using Puppet Strings. Epic is 1309 damage over 1.5 minutes, JBB does 2958.75 damage over that time. You'll use it at level 60 in Kunark and Velious. It is a serious consideration for Iksar Shamans. The AC/Regen doesn't make up for weak starting stats, lack of stun immunity, and inability to use JBB (and some other stuff, I like stacking the JBBP DS with other Velious DS clickies).

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a level 60 shaman MR/Regen > all other things. You said it yourself, shamans dont take off fungi unless its for vanity reasons

Iksar regen is +2; Fungi regen is +15. They're not very comparable. You have to remember the main advantage of Iksar/Troll regen comes from sitting, that's why Iksar makes much more sense for a Necromancer. As a level 60 Shaman you will never be sitting unless you're memming a spell or full health/mana. +2 standing regen is cool, but it's not worth losing a ton of other important stuff.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I disagree that Ikky is at the bottom, and challenge that it should be at the top!

You can have that opinion but I strongly think that it's incorrect.