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[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmmm, the Protestant Reformation actually gave the world quite a lot of scientific advancement. It's not a coincidence that the Enlightenment happened in Protestant northern Europe. Protestants taught literacy and critical thinking, so that people would be equipped to challenge Catholic orthodoxy. This resulted in Hume, Kant, Nietzsche, Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, Niehls Bohr.

I'm not saying creationism should be taught, and I'm certainly not saying it has as much merit as teaching evolution. But you should be impartial. If you want to hit religion for its failings, and they are numerous, you must also give it credit. Protestant northern Europe and the countries that resulted from its cultural (NZ, Aus, US, Canada.... arguably South Korea and Singapore as well) are not all overwhelmingly successful without cause. They came from a common cultural, religious value or valuing literacy, higher education, and critical thinking.

Fuck all the typos but you can see what I'm saying.

I'd also like to mention the Islamic Golden Age. Seems like a far off time, but there was a period when Cairo, Baghdad, Samarqand, Iran, and Islamic Spain were Meccas of scientific study and progress.

Religion has done a lot for the world.... You think humans would've had it for so long without there being some benefit? Give your ancestors some credit. They invented the computer you type on, they discovered the electricity that powers it, and they learned to work most of the metals and semiconductors within it. Humanity had a pragmatic purpose for religion... Or, there might just be a religion out there that is true. Who the fuck knows. But I guarantee you the man who brought about Roman aqueducts was superstitious and thanked Jupiter for his creation.

Oh, and since we're on an elf sim...

You realize nordic religions created mythology around elves and dwarves and such? What do you think magic is? It's a collective superstitious belief passed down through ages. If you like EQ, the world's religions have contributed to your life in a very tangible way.

Also, can you please film when a Jehovah's Witness comes to your door? I bet your response of temple throbbing rage would be extremely funny.

[paulgiamatti]

Negotiation is irrelevant. You will be assimilated.

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You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

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You will become one with the Borg.
You will all become one with the Borg.

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[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Negotiation is irrelevant. You will be assimilated.

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You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

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You will become one with the Borg.
You will all become one with the Borg.

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You must comply.

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I am Locutus of Borg. Resistance is futile.


But I don't fear being assimilated as I am just a anti-thought Christian who has nothing beneficial to bring to the collective.

We may laugh at the go thought of a collective and assimilation, but it is a very real future for evolutionary transhumanists like William sims bainbridge who dre of a hive consciousness as the next step in mankinds evolution.
Prepare to be assimilated!

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am Locutus of Borg. Resistance is futile.


But I don't fear being assimilated as I am just a anti-thought Christian who has nothing beneficial to bring to the collective.

We may laugh at the go thought of a collective and assimilation, but it is a very real future for evolutionary transhumanists like William sims bainbridge who dre of a hive consciousness as the next step in mankinds evolution.
Prepare to be assimilated!

Very close to what I was about to type.

[Barkingturtle]

Quit being stupid, fuckers.

Morality is a concept, not a trait.

When a daddy lion eats its young -- that's lion morality, baby.

What you're failing to describe is empathy, which many lower life forms exhibit. Empathy serves an evolutionary purpose, while morality is primarily used to control the actions and thoughts of man.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quit being stupid, fuckers.

Morality is a concept, not a trait.

When a daddy lion eats its young -- that's lion morality, baby.

What you're failing to describe is empathy, which many lower life forms exhibit. Empathy serves an evolutionary purpose, while morality is primarily used to control the actions and thoughts of man.

You're right empathy is far different than morality. Morality is the check and balance to emotions such as empathy.

For example, an empathetic person may look at the plight of a terminally ill person and conclude it would be the empathetic thing to put that person out of their misery.
After all their quality of life is not up to human standards.
But morality checks that emotional thought and says "no that's wrong".
Thus the reason assisted suicide is illegal in civilized countries.

Morality, not emotions is the guiding compass of mankind.
Yet is not present in the animal kingdom from which we are supposed to have descended.
So how did it evolve?

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right empathy is far different than morality. Morality is the check and balance to emotions such as empathy.

For example, an empathetic person may look at the plight of a terminally ill person and conclude it would be the empathetic thing to put that person out of their misery.
After all their quality of life is not up to human standards.
But morality checks that emotional thought and says "no that's wrong".
Thus the reason assisted suicide is illegal in civilized countries.

Morality, not emotions is the guiding compass of mankind.
Yet is not present in the animal kingdom from which we are supposed to have descended.
So how did it evolve?

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[radditsu]

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I explained it with a picture bark. Dont lower your glory down to him.

[Barkingturtle]

I just explained it. I suspect the gap between our intellects is hindering our communication. I'll repeat myself for your benefit, but just this once:

Morality is a concept, not a trait.

Concepts are invented, not evolved.

Your conceptualization of morality is arbitrary.

Your premise is flawed from the very fucking outset -- the epitome of the Creationist.

[RobotElvis]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just explained it. I suspect the gap between our intellects is hindering our communication. I'll repeat myself for your benefit, but just this once:

Morality is a concept, not a trait.

Concepts are invented, not evolved.

Your conceptualization of morality is arbitrary.

Your premise is flawed from the very fucking outset -- the epitome of the Creationist.

Ok let's use your logic of morality being a concept.
Religion is also in your mind a concept I'm sure.
Yet many people feel that they have transcended the concept of religion in their personal humanity. Concepts after all are not hereditary put acquired and can be regard or disregarded as useful.

So then at what point will it become acceptable to transcend the concept of morality on human evolution? What keeps morality as a more viable human concept than religion or worship?