GM Event Just Held/Finished.

[heartbrand]

Maybe what the server really needs is a cleansing of all the brain rot from both sides. Wtb perma bans on DD stage 4 players.

[Red_Psyphon]

HB is on to something. Pls forum kill the toxic shitheads living in the past.

[Doors]

Not home and missed it fuk.

[Buhbuh]

shoulda seen Stasis raging at me in ooc today, his brain rot was in overdrive.

logged in, immediately started spewing long form paragraphs trying to incriminate me over two different, completely unrelated things and then logged off counting down the 30 seconds of his camp.

[Vharvest]

Why this whole thing was a joke:

1) This is a polarized server with two main factions of end game players who hate each other. Trying to put anything together that requires them to work together for even 30 seconds is gonna end in a messy failure.

2) Even if it's something that encourages collaboration on multiple fronts, that is a "blue" mindset. The first inclination for any mobilized group of players on red would be "Hey, this is an exclusive mob with exclusive loot. If we can't take it down ourselves, make sure no one else gets it either and grief them. Nuke their clerics. stun their tanks," etc etc....

3) Derubael doesn't have a thick enough skin to deal with the red community. He could make a whole brand new zone with better raid encounters than Sony themselves, invented his own items and loot tables, brought 500 new players on to the server, and even if ONE person said "this is trash, wtf are you doing Deru," he would get emo and whiny about it, delete all the said content, and retreat in to a pity party.

I've barely been on the server a month and these three points are pretty obvious. Not saying that it's a good thing, in fact it's quite a tragedy considering what this server could be, but it's not entirely his fault either.

For him to shut down and say "No GM events ever again because you're all ungrateful fucks" is just a cop-out in my opinion. Grow some balls and learn to deal with criticism, you still provided something new for a 15 year old game and people got something out of it. Long story short, it was somewhat of a success in that regard, so don't be such a little bitch about it.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Vharvest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3) Derubael doesn't have a thick enough skin to deal with the red community. He could make a whole brand new zone with better raid encounters than Sony themselves, invented his own items and loot tables, brought 500 new players on to the server, and even if ONE person said "this is trash, wtf are you doing Deru," he would get emo and whiny about it, delete all the said content, and retreat in to a pity party.

I've barely been on the server a month and these three points are pretty obvious. Not saying that it's a good thing, in fact it's quite a tragedy considering what this server could be, but it's not entirely his fault either.

For him to shut down and say "No GM events ever again because you're all ungrateful fucks" is just a cop-out in my opinion. Grow some balls and learn to deal with criticism, you still provided something new for a 15 year old game and people got something out of it. Long story short, it was somewhat of a success in that regard, so don't be such a little bitch about it.

Since you've only been here "barely a month" I'll let this comment slide.

I'm the only staff member with the "balls" to deal with this community at all. I take more shit than any other staff member but have outlasted my peers. If you'd been here longer than 3 weeks you'd have seen that. I simply don't want to deal with the QQ again in the future over events I run in my spare time to help the server.

This isn't limited to "PvE" events. Almost every event we've ever ran on the Red server has turned into a giant bitchfest, and I'm tired of it. With the exception of the lowbie events (which are always fun and enjoyable), all Red events inevitably end up with a handful of very loud, very pissed off people.

I'd rather not go through that anymore. Nobody else would either.

[Vharvest]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since you've only been here "barely a month" I'll let this comment slide.

I'm the only staff member with the "balls" to deal with this community at all. I take more shit than any other staff member but have outlasted my peers. If you'd been here longer than 3 weeks you'd have seen that. I simply don't want to deal with the QQ again in the future over events I run in my spare time to help the server.

This isn't limited to "PvE" events. Almost every event we've ever ran on the Red server has turned into a giant bitchfest, and I'm tired of it. With the exception of the lowbie events (which are always fun and enjoyable), all Red events inevitably end up with a handful of very loud, very pissed off people.

I'd rather not go through that anymore. Nobody else would either.

So, what you should take away from this is that you basically receive zero reward or recognition from the hardcore player base of toxic and hateful players that have stuck around for no other reason than to observe how much MORE toxic they can aspire to be. They get off on it. For you to put some work in to the GM event and then feel as though you weren't appreciated .... well, of course not, because they've never appreciated anything you have done in the past.

My post wasn't meant to insult you, in fact it's more of a stab at those who basically ruin anything you try to put together based on their attitudes towards the game.

Personally, there's no way I could do what you're doing and I respect you for that. I chose strong words and I apologize for that, I was a little out of line for sure, BUT, you should definitely take a step back and realize that new players like, or people coming from blue ..... well, we're going to see a GM event as something special that should be taken advantage of.

Believe me, if I was level 60 with raid gear and I had the slightest chance of affecting the outcome of last night's event, or if I had any influence whatsoever over the inner workings of Holo/Nihi/Azrael/whoever, then I would tell them that they are basically being dbags, but they already know that and so do you.

I'm not offering a fix-all solution to your predicament, but maybe you should just host lower level events or cater to those who have thrown themselves in to the server in an attempt to change it once they reach the required benchmarks in the game to do so.

Maybe you could plant some seeds, foster some of the new faces, and who knows, maybe three months from now you will have a guild who PVP's and isn't full of negativity. Reach out to those who have positive things to say about the work you put in here, instead of trying to earn respect from those who will not give it to you, no matter what you do.

You guys could release Velious tommorow, and the only thing they would have to say is "Why didn't you do it sooner, OMG there are still bugs, OMG this is such garbage." Less than 5% of the "regulars" would actually be genuinely excited about it because they're so jaded right now that Mother Theresa herself could be the GM for the server and it still wouldn't matter.

I'm sorry man, I actually really feel bad for you, but what you're doing is important for the longevity of the server and there are those of us who don't want to see you just throw in the towel because a bunch of trolls are taking you for granted for the millionth time.

The only reason I myself was somewhat negative about the situation is because you basically gave up the moment everyone didn't fall to their knees and praise you for trying something new, HOWEVER...

If you had stuck to your guns instead of acknowledging the fact that their criticism bothered you, and you just move on and do another event next Friday, rest assured that there are players who look forward to that.

It actually discourages the new people more when we see the old people basically running GM support in to the ground, because we'd like to see more stuff like this, but not if it's going to basically signify that you're getting more and more likely to just turn your back on the whole project further.

I have no right to comment with any authority on any of this because like you said, I haven't been able to observe for an extended period of time. I am a blue player of a few years however, and I've been on the forums that entire time, just reading all the crap that you have to put up with, and let me say that it is very regrettable.

Sorry I pissed you off, I could have put it more politely instead of sounding like an Azrael or Nihilum dbag.... I shouldn't spout off about how unhealthy they are for this community and then basically emulate that behavior.

[Sheriff]

Originally Posted by Vharvest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, what you should take away from this is that you basically receive zero reward or recognition from the hardcore player base of toxic and hateful players that have stuck around for no other reason than to observe how much MORE toxic they can aspire to be. They get off on it. For you to put some work in to the GM event and then feel as though you weren't appreciated .... well, of course not, because they've never appreciated anything you have done in the past.

My post wasn't meant to insult you, in fact it's more of a stab at those who basically ruin anything you try to put together based on their attitudes towards the game.

Personally, there's no way I could do what you're doing and I respect you for that. I chose strong words and I apologize for that, I was a little out of line for sure, BUT, you should definitely take a step back and realize that new players like, or people coming from blue ..... well, we're going to see a GM event as something special that should be taken advantage of.

Believe me, if I was level 60 with raid gear and I had the slightest chance of affecting the outcome of last night's event, or if I had any influence whatsoever over the inner workings of Holo/Nihi/Azrael/whoever, then I would tell them that they are basically being dbags, but they already know that and so do you.

I'm not offering a fix-all solution to your predicament, but maybe you should just host lower level events or cater to those who have thrown themselves in to the server in an attempt to change it once they reach the required benchmarks in the game to do so.

Maybe you could plant some seeds, foster some of the new faces, and who knows, maybe three months from now you will have a guild who PVP's and isn't full of negativity. Reach out to those who have positive things to say about the work you put in here, instead of trying to earn respect from those who will not give it to you, no matter what you do.

You guys could release Velious tommorow, and the only thing they would have to say is "Why didn't you do it sooner, OMG there are still bugs, OMG this is such garbage." Less than 5% of the "regulars" would actually be genuinely excited about it because they're so jaded right now that Mother Theresa herself could be the GM for the server and it still wouldn't matter.

I'm sorry man, I actually really feel bad for you, but what you're doing is important for the longevity of the server and there are those of us who don't want to see you just throw in the towel because a bunch of trolls are taking you for granted for the millionth time.

The only reason I myself was somewhat negative about the situation is because you basically gave up the moment everyone didn't fall to their knees and praise you for trying something new, HOWEVER...

If you had stuck to your guns instead of acknowledging the fact that their criticism bothered you, and you just move on and do another event next Friday, rest assured that there are players who look forward to that.

It actually discourages the new people more when we see the old people basically running GM support in to the ground, because we'd like to see more stuff like this, but not if it's going to basically signify that you're getting more and more likely to just turn your back on the whole project further.

I have no right to comment with any authority on any of this because like you said, I haven't been able to observe for an extended period of time. I am a blue player of a few years however, and I've been on the forums that entire time, just reading all the crap that you have to put up with, and let me say that it is very regrettable.

Sorry I pissed you off, I could have put it more politely instead of sounding like an Azrael or Nihilum dbag.... I shouldn't spout off about how unhealthy they are for this community and then basically emulate that behavior.

Holy shot ! The very definition of TLDR.

[Technique]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't limited to "PvE" events. Almost every event we've ever ran on the Red server has turned into a giant bitchfest, and I'm tired of it. With the exception of the lowbie events (which are always fun and enjoyable), all Red events inevitably end up with a handful of very loud, very pissed off people.

I don't think you realize that the degree to which this happens is directly proportional to your level of involvement in these events and how heavy-handed your administration of them is.

I won't deny that this server is populated by several incorrigible shitbags, but they're not particularly intelligent and will behave predictably in reaction to what you present them with.

So when you find yourself "disabling PvP / forcibly DT'ing people to stop PvP", just so your little event can play out how you envisioned it, you're only perpetuating the problems you sought to correct.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Technique [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think you realize that the degree to which this happens is directly proportional to your level of involvement in these events and how heavy-handed your administration of them is.

I won't deny that this server is populated by several incorrigible shitbags, but they're not particularly intelligent and will behave predictably in reaction to what you present them with.

So when you find yourself "disabling PvP / forcibly DT'ing people to stop PvP", just so your little event can play out how you envisioned it, you're only perpetuating the problems you sought to correct.

I don't think anyone realizes the only reason we stopped PvP was because the event was already over and I stopped PvP so I could distribute loot fairly by rolling.

I would never stop PvP during an event just so "things could play out the way I want them to".