HELP ME ROGEAN!!

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, there's way more goodwill coming from my end than is probably sane.

/salute

[Bardalicious]

Oh, finally, somehow, with a petition this person managed to get the bard account -on MY emu with MY SMS - banned (tho the other 2 are still working). It hasn't been unbanned yet so things are still in flux.

I think that this quote pretty well sums things up. The fact that this person feels in any way entitled to those accounts is absurd. They banned one of the two accounts to my benefit, yes, because they are NOT YOUR ACCOUNTS, and I sure hope they get around to banning the other too. I tracked down the sale thread from when you bought drowed and it's from over a year ago. You had the emu and had everything you needed to manage the account you bought. How is it you decided to SMS reset the other two accounts a full year later and thought that they were fair game? You had no reason to SMS reset the account you bought, so you did it with full intentions of taking those other two accounts in hopes they held characters.

An honest person would have made a post about it in an attempt to make sure nobody was using them. You, however, kept your mouth shut and decided to play them.

And yes, despite seeming to try to work something out with me in PMs it sure seemed like your tone was much different in your petition when you told the GMs that I was harassing you.

[Nuggie]

Visage, i would feel bad for you if you didnt have such a toxic past.

Take what deal Cloki is giving and call it a day.

Don't forget, it's all just pixels.

edit to prove in before rnf

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is a perfect example of why account sales were bad. People sold their info and then regret selling it. Then they try to get the info back by stealing it from whoever they sold it to.

Been playing mmo's some 16 years, mud's before that. Never sold an account. Never shared an account. Legal or not, have seen lots of people get in some kind of trouble doing that. Yeah, shouldn't have sold it, and just as bad the buyer shouldn't have taken what didn't belong to him. Especially on an EMU, buyer and seller beware. Just don't do it.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I won't even let people tag Omni if they do not have the ability to change their passswords b/c I don't want to gear them only to have their 'toons and the work poof.

This is true. I had to give him my password to join the guild to prove I wasn't into account sharing.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I purchased an emu (more than a year ago when it was still allowed) for plat that had a L51 firepot necro attached. I made sure I purchased the emu. This was not purchased from Bardalicious/Drowed/Ruinous (why so many handles in play here)? The account had changed hands several times.

Why so many forum handles? You mean Drowed and Bardalicious, right? What were the names of the characters on those accounts? Oh... right... Drowed and Bardalicious. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then, when it was possible, I associated the emu with my SMS (as instructed).

What you mean to say is that a full year after buying the necromancer you saw an opportunity to snag two accounts you never had access to and never paid for. You had full control over the eqemu account already, so there was no reason so SMS reset your password to the Necromancer you already had full control over.

Originally Posted by Pan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When this person cast a broad net in this thread: http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=159830 - naming six toons that are NOT on this emu, I feel like this is what's going on (from this link) in which Sirken said:

second of all, id bet body parts that 90% of these people are just trying to steal back an acct they sold in the past. stay classy

Look at his initial post on server forum - doesn't mention Ruinous or Bardalicious (other two toons in question) - but looks like he's casting a broad net saying: here's a bunch of accounts I used to have, I regret selling them all and now want them back, let's see how many i can get...just fishing.

It's laughably sad how you're trying to undermine me and downplay your theft of my accounts. It's even more sad that some people in this thread are believing this bullshit. First off, I have no idea where you pulled that quote from Sirken from, but it certainly wasn't from THAT thread.

Here's the full list of sale threads in which my necromancer Drowed was sold:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=75492 <- this is the initial sale from my forum account Drowed, in which the necromancer was sold to forum user azxten.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=107042 <- this is the second sale of Drowed in which azxten sold the account to duneadx.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=114256 <- this is the third and final sale of the account in which duneadx sold the account to Pan.

Now, the first thing to note is that nowhere in any of those auctions does it mention a bard nor a cleric being involved in the sale. Because they weren't a part of it. Pan sure as hell knew that.

Secondly, to discredit the rediculous theory that I was "casting a net" for characters I used to own, here is the PM I got back from azxten when I asked him whom he ended up selling the account to, so that I could track down the owner and find out who took my accounts.


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Now, if you look at that persons signature, you'd see it lists all of the characters I mentioned in the post I made in an attempt to track down the current owner of the account. Not an hour after making the post, someone was kind enough to send me a PM that you, Cloki, were the current owner of Drowed.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a shitty situation, but at a cursory glance (which is all I'm really willing to put into this) I can't tell who owned what when or what happened from there.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And by the way, I've gone the extra mile for you in the past. I'm sorry that I'm not willing to do it again for something we've never supported.

Now, if you kept up with this thread, in the first post Derubael made he attempted to discredit assisting me because they "couldn't tell who owned what", yet in his next post he acknowledges that he un-banned the cleric in question for me not a year or so ago. So, magically in that time frame, the IP logs became so convoluted that he could no longer tell that the character was mine? Despite the bard being named... Bardalicious.

[GnashingOfTeeth]

So if I follow correctly, you sold your account, eqemu login as part of that transaction.
Now the owner of the info, can take control via the eqemu login of any toons associated with that account?

You sold, it sucks, just roll a new everything. I am sure Cloki or whatever the fuck his name is might be able to help you out.

I would never want that over my head, is someone going to grab my shit again?

The staff here is not paid, and Sirken gives zero shits about this stuff (Sirkenism).

I do sympathize, I would be frustrated, but every time I sold an account on live (3x) I knew I would never, ever, ever use it again.

You can level up, you know the game, reroll bro.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Go back to troll school. C-

[Bill Tetley]

good luck with this. I can't even get them to give me the email address that my main account is registered with that Ive been playing for over 4 years...

[Derubael]

Since this is all out here in Server Chat anyway, I'll save myself the time of responding to both of your threads separately:

1) I don't care what you guys work out, so long as it doesn't require any special treatment by Server Staff (IE, name changes, account resets, moving of loginserver accounts, etc)

2) As far as we're concerned, we never supported account trading to begin with. If someone traded an EQEmu account but continued to play on a loginserver account associated with that EQEmu and is now paying the price... well, I'd say it's up to the person you sold the account to on how to proceed. Bottom line here is if you traded an account, please don't ask us to do extra work if you didn't do it right and are now experiencing problems. We have enough to deal with without having to go around cleaning up people's messes that could have easily been avoided with a little forethought and standard internet security practices.

It's a shitty situation, but at a cursory glance (which is all I'm really willing to put into this) I can't tell who owned what when or what happened from there. If we wanted to go digging we could sort it out, but really, what's the point? It would take an inordinate amount of time, again, for something we didn't support in the first place, and my position would likely remain the same. I understand the frustration, but it seems Cloki is willing to work something out with Bardalicious, which is a lot more than most would be offering right now.

That's where I'm at on all of this. There's a fine line between an account being stolen, and an EQemulator account having it's LS server passwords reset. We told people time and time again to not share account information, trade accounts, etc., and I would think it would be common sense that if you're going to sell an Eqemulator account, you'd better be sure you don't have any other Loginserver accounts on that Eqemu.

I'm going to close out both of your petitions today when I get a chance. If you guys need further help with this beyond the guidelines I've laid out in this post, feel free to re-petition.