HELP ME ROGEAN!! - Page 19

Tuffpuppy · #1 08-13-2014, 11:29 AM

I just don't see the harm in assisting people on a case by case basis. Even if it takes a month or three, people have spent a long time on their characters just to get it stolen from them it just doesn't seem fair. But all accounts need to be suspended until it is resolved at least.

Glenzig · #2 08-13-2014, 11:39 AM

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I just don't see the harm in assisting people on a case by case basis. Even if it takes a month or three, people have spent a long time on their characters just to get it stolen from them it just doesn't seem fair. But all accounts need to be suspended until it is resolved at least.

They already knew they weren't going to get any assistance for account sales or trades. If the account is that precious to you, don't give out your account info.

Glenzig · #3 08-13-2014, 01:06 PM

Seriously man. Read Nilbog's post from 2012 again real carefully. The warning was given that they would most likely be changing the way account info was handled. The warning was given that if you didn't have your account secure at the time that the changes went into effect, you would just have to eat it. What are you still going on about GM responsibility for? If people can't listen to warnings, how is anyone else responsible?

Kika Maslyaka · #4 08-13-2014, 08:11 PM

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Seriously man. Read Nilbog's post from 2012 again real carefully. The warning was given that they would most likely be changing the way account info was handled. The warning was given that if you didn't have your account secure at the time that the changes went into effect, you would just have to eat it. What are you still going on about GM responsibility for? If people can't listen to warnings, how is anyone else responsible?

This actually supports my point even more. GMs KNEW that system will change so radically that all old expectations will be broken. Yet, they shown their indifference to account trading, essentially condoning it. What they have in fact told you is "We do not support account trading, but we do not forbid it neither. Do what you like". This is exactly why I claim they are responsible. They are the only ones with power to manage the server. They set the rules. They are responsible for what the rules are. Their 4 year long indifference to account trading only proves that they acted irresponsibly. The rule for account trading should have said "not allowed" from day 1, but instead it said "do what you like - we don't care". GMs are responsible for that. Not having a proper rule-set and ignorance of obviously troublesome situation just as bad as creating this situation themselves. GMs allowed account trading to run rampart because they didn't want to get involved, yet they did not had the will to ban them outright.
I judge others by the same criteria I judge myself. I would have ban account trading from the start. So would many people. But I would also take responsibility for what happened on my watch due to negligence of setting up proper rule-set.

Glenzig · #5 08-13-2014, 08:27 PM

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This actually supports my point even more. GMs KNEW that system will change so radically that all old expectations will be broken. Yet, they shown their indifference to account trading, essentially condoning it. What they have in fact told you is "We do not support account trading, but we do not forbid it neither. Do what you like". This is exactly why I claim they are responsible. They are the only ones with power to manage the server. They set the rules. They are responsible for what the rules are. Their 4 year long indifference to account trading only proves that they acted irresponsibly. The rule for account trading should have said "not allowed" from day 1, but instead it said "do what you like - we don't care". GMs are responsible for that. Not having a proper rule-set and ignorance of obviously troublesome situation just as bad as creating this situation themselves. GMs allowed account trading to run rampart because they didn't want to get involved, yet they did not had the will to ban them outright.
I judge others by the same criteria I judge myself. I would have ban account trading from the start. So would many people. But I would also take responsibility for what happened on my watch due to negligence of setting up proper rule-set.

We get it. You think that the staff is totally responsible for the players poor decisions. The problem is that nothing you say actually makes any sense, or even matters. Its just your opinion. The fact is that they haven't gotten involved in these disputes in the past, and they aren't going to start now. And its also their server so....

Kika Maslyaka · #6 08-13-2014, 09:07 PM

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We get it. You think that the staff is totally responsible for the players poor decisions. The problem is that nothing you say actually makes any sense, or even matters. Its just your opinion. The fact is that they haven't gotten involved in these disputes in the past, and they aren't going to start now. And its also their server so....

Which is exactly my point - they do not want to take responsibility for situation they set up and allowed to deteriorate over years. By their negligence, they encouraged the detrimental behavior of the players. Once again - this is not a democracy - they set the rules - they bare full responsibility of those rules or the lack of them.
My ultimate point is - is there is blame to assign - all 3 sides are responsible, each in their own way.
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Bardalicious · #7 08-13-2014, 10:12 PM

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We get it. You think that the staff is totally responsible for the players poor decisions. The problem is that nothing you say actually makes any sense, or even matters. Its just your opinion.

Your statement could be easily mirrored and applied back to you. You realize that, right?

And "the fact is" that there weren't disputes like these in the past because this dispute is a product of their making by recently changing the system.

Bardalicious · #8 08-13-2014, 10:20 PM

As for the car analogy, I may have left my windows down on my two porches in a crime-riddled neighborhood, but the robber didn't even need to break in or come through the windows because the dealership called him up and ended up handing him an extra set of keys to drive away in them clean and clear.

May have been an unwise initial decision to play two accounts on that eqemu, but it's a direct result of Rogean's change that resulted in my losses.

Gaffin 7.0 · #9 08-13-2014, 10:21 PM

i petitioned about my account when this SMS shit came out, i lost my email pw and recovery doesnt work so im screwed on it

Glenzig · #10 08-13-2014, 10:32 PM

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Your statement could be easily mirrored and applied back to you. You realize that, right?

And "the fact is" that there weren't disputes like these in the past because this dispute is a product of their making by recently changing the system.

Nope. Read Nilbog's post. It isn't just my opinion, its the actual stance of the staff.