HELP ME ROGEAN!!

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Aeaolena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's like buying a piece of farmland, then discovering it has two silo's you didn't know about. You own the deed to the land - so why wouldn't you start renovations on a structure that you own?

My husband and I bought a house, including the land it sits on - about 5 years ago. If I went outside right now and noticed a treehouse in the woods with a homeless person squatting in it I wouldn't be as nice as Cloki and tell them they could potentially live there. I'd tell them to GTFO before I call the cops.

Well as the OP stated those accounts were not apart of any of the sales. Also as OP stated, Cloki wouldn't have had access to them had he not been able to SMS reset.

Are they technically his? Absolutely.

Did he do the right thing by claiming ownership and actively using the characters? IMO, no.

And for someone who runs a guild based on "doing the right thing no matter how technically correct you are" it's kind of a shitty thing to do.

Hence, both are dumb.

also:

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ban Metallikus and all his in game accounts. Guy is going to get heavy metal posioning from all the tin he wraps his body in if he keeps playing/posting here.

+1

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious

Now, if you kept up with this thread, in the first post Derubael made he attempted to discredit assisting me because they "couldn't tell who owned what", yet in his next post he acknowledges that he un-banned the cleric in question for me not a year or so ago. So, magically in that time frame, the IP logs became so convoluted that he could no longer tell that the character was mine? Despite the bard being named... Bardalicious.

There's a difference between knowing a character is yours, and going into the logs to prove it. I have no need to discredit assisting you - frankly, I don't need to give a reason at all, but the big sticking point here is that we never supported account trades, and all trades were done at your own risk. I'm not going to spend a bunch of time digging up logs (which I would need to do to before going to Rogean), then going to Rogean and asking him to go digging for logs (instead of spending his P99 time on improving the box) just to verify everything and reset your account. And yes, we do have to verify, regardless of what we "know".

Again, for something we do not support, have never supported, and never will support. There are other people out there who have problems that weren't a result of their own poor judgement that we need to help.

I understand the frustration, but you have to look at this objectively from our viewpoint - we need to take the whole picture into account, not just as it pertains to Bardalicious and Cloki. There is so much work to do and so little time to do it that we have to turn people away when necessary.

If you'd like to pursue the matter further, you are welcome to do so by messaging Rogean - but I guarantee that not only will his answer be the same as mine, but you would have gotten faster results by just taking Cloki's offer (which, IMO, is generous considering he really isn't obligated to do anything at all).

Good luck.

[Rekrul]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a difference between knowing a character is yours, and going into the logs to prove it. I have no need to discredit assisting you - frankly, I don't need to give a reason at all, but the big sticking point here is that we never supported account trades, and all trades were done at your own risk. I'm not going to spend a bunch of time digging up logs (which I would need to do to before going to Rogean), then going to Rogean and asking him to go digging for logs (instead of spending his P99 time on improving the box) just to verify everything and reset your account. And yes, we do have to verify, regardless of what we "know".

Again, for something we do not support, have never supported, and never will support. There are other people out there who have problems that weren't a result of their own poor judgement that we need to help.

I understand the frustration, but you have to look at this objectively from our viewpoint - we need to take the whole picture into account, not just as it pertains to Bardalicious and Cloki. There is so much work to do and so little time to do it that we have to turn people away when necessary.

If you'd like to pursue the matter further, you are welcome to do so by messaging Rogean - but I guarantee that not only will his answer be the same as mine, but you would have gotten faster results by just taking Cloki's offer (which, IMO, is generous considering he really isn't obligated to do anything at all).

Good luck.

Its generous? He stole his fucking account.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Rekrul [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its generous? He stole his fucking account.

After reading the first half of Pans transcript (putting things into perspective), I'd say he's in the right technically and see why the GM's are ignoring the issue. imo it's false advertisement, the seller should have mentioned that it was a 'shared account'. The emu account imo is a single account, and you get to make three sub accounts attached to that. And that being to the original buyer, and then passed to yet another buyer, Pan. Technically, the seller goofed big time, and I don't see as having any real claim to the account. I don't see it as "stole".

But then if originally advertised as a 'shared account' I don't even see how that would make a difference, especially with the chance it could be sold again. That is just the gamble that the seller took, rolled and lost, for a few plats. Roll a new cleric, stop trying to get the accounts banned.

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[tanknspank]

I can't fathom how you would think it was a good idea to sell a master account but continue to play on two if it's sub-accounts. Sure, at that time it wasn't possible to reset pw for the sub-accounts, but it's unreasonable to feel so sure that would never change.

I mean there's sooo many ways that could have gone wrong eventually, even if the PW reset wasn't implemented, like:
- New rule: 1 concurrent login per emu account only
- OTPs being implemented per emu accounts and shared for all its login accounts
- Oops, login password table got corrupted, you must login to emu account to set a new one before you can play
- Emu and login1 end up in the hands of a bad player and all their accounts get the banhammer, good luck arguing you're a different person who uses login2 and login3 and not them using a VPN

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by Aeaolena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's like buying a piece of farmland, then discovering it has two silo's you didn't know about. You own the deed to the land - so why wouldn't you start renovations on a structure that you own?

My husband and I bought a house, including the land it sits on - about 5 years ago. If I went outside right now and noticed a treehouse in the woods with a homeless person squatting in it I wouldn't be as nice as Cloki and tell them they could potentially live there. I'd tell them to GTFO before I call the cops.

what a terrible analogy.

[sonicjoose]

I had the same thing happen to me. Luckily the guy who reset my account with the SMS system was a standup guy and let me reset my password.

[Rais]

Sold account= Sold eqemu. Tough shit, looks like you're the type who walks in front of a car and is surprised that you get ran over.

This is what you get for being a scumbag account seller with multiple forum names. Guess someone from Blue yt you pretty bad. No LnS policy here.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sold account= Sold eqemu. Tough shit, looks like you're the type who walks in front of a car and is surprised that you get ran over.

This is what you get for being a scumbag account seller with multiple forum names. Guess someone from Blue yt you pretty bad. No LnS policy here.

It seems pretty obvious that you're either in that guild or friends with Cloki. I never see you post, so for you to be so vocal about a matter that doesn't really concern you is a pretty big give away.

And why am I a scumbag ? I had the forum handle drowed when I played that toon.. I made the forum account bardalicious when I rolled that toon. What's the big deal?

[Rais]

Ban Metallikus and all his in game accounts. Guy is going to get heavy metal posioning from all the tin he wraps his body in if he keeps playing/posting here.