Classic Feel vs Classic Mechanics

[Messianic]

One is basically objective inasmuch as we have good knowledge of the facts.

The other is a subjective crapfest of bad arguments and anecdotes.

Sorry, I prefer the former even if it doesn't "feel" like 2000.

[Cippofra]

Classic EQ required you to spend a minimum of 19 hours at a time to get anything done. I'm 28 with a full time job, a toddler, and going to school. I'm too casual of a player to be grouping more than 10 minutes a month. And my situation is probably pretty normal here. There's plenty of people who just don't have the time to be diving into the game for hours at a time.

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by Cippofra [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic EQ required you to spend a minimum of 19 hours at a time to get anything done. I'm 28 with a full time job, a toddler, and going to school. I'm too casual of a player to be grouping more than 10 minutes a month. And my situation is probably pretty normal here. There's plenty of people who just don't have the time to be diving into the game for hours at a time.

Here you go:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm

Might as well use the same logic to implement health potions and mercenaries.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here you go:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm

Might as well use the same logic to implement health potions and mercenaries.

Logic? what logic the guy is just saying he doesnt have a lot of time for eq anymore because he is winning.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here you go:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm

Might as well use the same logic to implement health potions and mercenaries.

P99 is one of the easiest MMO's in existence. Hate when people talk about other MMO's as ezmode when you can literally afk your way to 60 and full end game raid loot in EQ.

[sox7d]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Logic? what logic the guy is just saying he doesnt have a lot of time for eq anymore because he is winning.

"Winning" and a maturing demographic is the same reason WoW moved to insta-queue dungeons that take less than 10 minutes to complete and have a nearly 0% fail rate. There's a reason we're all playing this instead of that. That's great that he is trying to balance out his life, but I'm just saying that every other MMO mirrors that style of play. This server and EvE are the last bastions of dependent, difficult MMORPGs.

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 is one of the easiest MMO's in existence. Hate when people talk about other MMO's as ezmode when you can literally afk your way to 60 and full end game raid loot in EQ.

Maybe some classes, but that being said quad kiting and charm soloing are still more difficult and risky than spamming "2" and doing solo fetch quests to level 60 in 1/4th the time it takes.

EQ isn't the hardest game of all time but it is definitely less forgiving and more difficult to solo in than other MMOs. We've all been playing for ~15 years, I'd like to see how easily a completely new player gets to lvl 60.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Winning" is the same reason WoW moved to insta-queue dungeons that take less than 10 minutes to complete and have a nearly 0% fail rate. There's a reason we're all playing this instead of that.

no doggie you are totally wrong. I'm playing it because I like shitty D&D art and nostalgia.

[Masq]

Originally Posted by sox7d [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This server and EvE are the last bastions of dependent, difficult MMORPGs.

I don't think most EQ players understand time spent =/= difficulty and its almost laughable that people feel this game is difficult.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P99 is one of the easiest MMO's in existence. Hate when people talk about other MMO's as ezmode when you can literally afk your way to 60 and full end game raid loot in EQ.

Yep.

Anyhow, lazy repost since this thread pops up every few months:

In general EQ, is just much more punishing for stupid mistakes than WoW is. Once you get good enough to stop making idiotic mistakes (or stop playing with people who make huge mistakes), this really doesn't matter. Because of this, EQ's difficulty is much more front-loaded than WoW. All these horrible corpse runs and other 'difficult' (time consuming) punishments are circumvented once you're familiar with the game.

Wow is the opposite, where the difficulty of the game somewhat scales with how good you are at the game. The game starts off incredibly basic and builds up in challenge as you become more familiar with it. Compare this with EQ where you can get by on a raid (end-game) by /assisting and pushing maybe 1 or 2 buttons. Whereas with leveling, you're utilizing way more of your abilities and the environment. In WoW, leveling is a joke. In EQ, it's the most difficult part of the game for most people.

It's really a case of front-loaded versus back-loaded difficulty. WoW is going to seem like an easier game to those who haven't fully played it. EQ is going to seem a lot harder to those who aren't as great at the game.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep.

Anyhow, lazy repost since this thread pops up every few months:

In general EQ, is just much more punishing for stupid mistakes than WoW is. Once you get good enough to stop making idiotic mistakes (or stop playing with people who make huge mistakes), this really doesn't matter. Because of this, EQ's difficulty is much more front-loaded than WoW. All these horrible corpse runs and other 'difficult' (time consuming) punishments are circumvented once you're familiar with the game.

Wow is the opposite, where the difficulty of the game somewhat scales with how good you are at the game. The game starts off incredibly basic and builds up in challenge as you become more familiar with it. Compare this with EQ where you can get by on a raid (end-game) by /assisting and pushing maybe 1 or 2 buttons. Whereas with leveling, you're utilizing way more of your abilities and the environment. In WoW, leveling is a joke. In EQ, it's the most difficult part of the game for most people.

It's really a case of front-loaded versus back-loaded difficulty. WoW is going to seem like an easier game to those who haven't fully played it. EQ is going to seem a lot harder to those who aren't as great at the game.

Hence why I personaly play it, for the shitty D&D art [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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