Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

[pufen]

It's in English for me.

Thanks for the heads up on that site. I will def check into it. It would be fun to play some Chrono Trigger or FF9 on PC.

Have a baguette on me.

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[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd also say that the only thing that is any real proof is the fraps and based on the fraps it came directly for Sussy. Sussy being the only person dying from the AoE would not make sense and you can see it wasn't only AoE in the video. The events that lead up to that, who knows. But claiming it was because IB failed to log out then backing it up with another claim doesn't prove your case too much. Yeah it's pretty shitty it took this long for anyone to review the information but if you are claiming that you guys were the ones to train up for IB with those dragons then its on you, bottom line. Who knows what could of happened inbetween but based on it was your pick up mobs, it went directly for sussy then cut over to Bandito, its your train. I don't care for either side but it doesn't help your case when you get the same 6 people here saying different things. No one camped their agro and it was their fault, pulled through your train up, transferring agro, who knows who or what could of touched the mob inbetween but the video doesn't show too much tbh.

That's not what the fraps shows at all. Sussy was killed before the dragons were in melee range of him. Both dragons aoe and kill him, because he he is a freshly rezed magician. That's why he died. If the definition was as high as the original video you'd see the emote for the AoEs, people's health bars dropping, and warriors going berzerk right at the same time as Sussy's death. Also you do see other people die. Look at the health bars in the group window.

[Hitpoint]

If the dragons were coming for Sussy there would be new FTE messages after he died. The breakdown of the video was posted in two different forms a few pages back. It shows you how to view the fraps with time stamps, what to look for, and why it makes sense.

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the dragons were coming for Sussy there would be new FTE messages after he died. The breakdown of the video was posted in two different forms a few pages back. It shows you how to view the fraps with time stamps, what to look for, and why it makes sense.

Unless he was on the list, and others were put on it when the dragons saw them. It's not 100% proof that bandito was the only one on the list. His entire group would be on the agro list from bard/healing his group. His entire group is still in the zone/trying to camp out. So why did a new FTE shout go off when bandito died? Shouldn't the five other people be on the agro list also? I know there has been issues with fte shout in the past so maybe this is part of it?

It was always ruled that you need to control your pulls no matter what. It was a ruling that benefited tmo over ib, and ib was suspended from all mobs because of it. Now the same thing has come in return. The first one was iffy, just like this one. Both have merits and downfalls.

Originally Posted by Socratic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB grabs Xygoz and pulls the longest pull in all of VP, through the whole fucking zone. They don't bother to train up, and instead rely on TMO to train up for them. It works long enough for them to kill Xygoz. Afterwards they stand there and claim ignorance while all the shit they pulled Xygoz through comes running down to zone in. It's all TMO's fault they say... because... TMO is the guild responsible for keeping IBs pull clean?

From my inside infos Hitpoint admitted he had trained hosh up through Xygoz. Either he died or lost agro and this is what caused Hoku to gain assist agro from Hosh. In the end it was his train that caused the agro. I am sure if things weren't trained, IB would have never gotten the dragon to zone in.

So it sounds like someone messed up, and everything is being thrown in to confuse the entire situation. Either my inside staff infos are full of shit, or this is what went down in the meeting. Everything else is irreverent if Hitpoint came clean like that.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless he was on the list, and others were put on it when the dragons saw them. It's not 100% proof that bandito was the only one on the list. His entire group would be on the agro list from bard/healing his group. His entire group is still in the zone/trying to camp out. So why did a new FTE shout go off when bandito died? Shouldn't the five other people be on the agro list also? I know there has been issues with fte shout in the past so maybe this is part of it?

That's not how agro transfer works. Bard song will gain agro for the bard, it will not transfer it to others. Same as any beneficial spell. If a cleric heals someone with agro, the cleric gains agro. If a cleric has agro and heals someone without agro, that person still will not have agro.

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From my inside infos Hitpoint admitted he had trained hosh up through Xygoz. Either he died or lost agro and this is what caused Hoku to gain assist agro from Hosh. In the end it was his train that caused the agro. I am sure if things weren't trained, IB would have never gotten the dragon to zone in.

So it sounds like someone messed up, and everything is being thrown in to confuse the entire situation. Either my inside staff infos are full of shit, or this is what went down in the meeting. Everything else is irreverent if Hitpoint came clean like that.

Yes your inside info is full of shit or it wasn't communicated/understood properly. I never touched Hoshkar or any dragon involved with this pull. I was dead for the entire duration because I was on train up for our PD pull before this, you can see Shinko dragging my corpse at :55.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not how agro transfer works. Bard song will gain agro for the bard, it will not transfer it to others. Same as any beneficial spell. If a cleric heals someone with agro, the cleric gains agro. If a cleric has agro and heals someone without agro, that person still will not have agro.






Yes your inside info is full of shit or it wasn't communicated/understood properly. I never touched Hoshkar or any dragon involved with this pull. I was dead for the entire duration because I was on train up for our PD pull before this, you can see Shinko dragging my corpse at :55.

Pretty sad a former GM doesn't understand how aggro works.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sad a former GM doesn't understand how aggro works.

Former GM?

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sad a former GM doesn't understand how aggro works.

No but him healing his group members and others on the raid would. Are you being selective just to be a troll or what?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless he was on the list, and others were put on it when the dragons saw them. It's not 100% proof that bandito was the only one on the list. His entire group would be on the agro list from bard/healing his group. His entire group is still in the zone/trying to camp out. So why did a new FTE shout go off when bandito died? Shouldn't the five other people be on the agro list also? I know there has been issues with fte shout in the past so maybe this is part of it?

It was always ruled that you need to control your pulls no matter what. It was a ruling that benefited tmo over ib, and ib was suspended from all mobs because of it. Now the same thing has come in return. The first one was iffy, just like this one. Both have merits and downfalls.





From my inside infos Hitpoint admitted he had trained hosh up through Xygoz. Either he died or lost agro and this is what caused Hoku to gain assist agro from Hosh. In the end it was his train that caused the agro. I am sure if things weren't trained, IB would have never gotten the dragon to zone in.

So it sounds like someone messed up, and everything is being thrown in to confuse the entire situation. Either my inside staff infos are full of shit, or this is what went down in the meeting. Everything else is irreverent if Hitpoint came clean like that.

His entire group would not be on the list based on his songs.

[quido]

I explained to TMO that we need to petition raid disputes like red people post in RnF. Don't write paragraphs and explain what happened; you need to post a screenshot and scribble on it in MSPaint. A series of scribbled-upon screenshots will also work. Find the pertinent part of the image and select it using the rectangular select tool. Then copy and paste the selection and drag it to a new part of the image. Make sure to resize the copied selection to a different breadth and height. Repeat this process until the image is littered with "Hoshkar engages Hokushin!" of varying sizes. It is in your interest to rotate a few of them 90 degrees also so that the text reads vertically. Use this classic image as a template. Don't forget to make a reference to the numbers also - the image should probably contain text saying "10 vs 200" or whatever you remember it being. Only then will our red GMs see the merits of your case.