9/11 - Inside Job?

[taxi2]

Originally Posted by Bojangles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't like our societies' values, then move to that nation where your values built a strong enough society to carve out its own niche and defended itself from its neighbors, or start your own country where you can do whatever nonsense you seem to be advocating in the above lyrics.

Yeah, america is always defending itself!

First it was the amerindians, then (skipping the tape forward now) defending itself from those evil communist ****s, then arming muslim crackpots in afghanistan so they can defeat local communists who accept women as equals and nun-raping, coke snorting death squads in Honduras to fight for freedom against those evil school-building, land-reforming evil nicaraguans.

[Humerox]

we americans are brainwashed into defending rights we don't have anymore.

Patriot Act
Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement
(probably the greatest threat to personal freedom ever, and since it's an executive agreement congress can't say shit about it)

peace

[khazim]

The Conspiracy on the part of the government, IMO, is one of covering up just how unprepared we were for this sort of thing.

Before 9/11 a plane hijacking meant the plane was going to land somewhere, have demands, and then negotiations for the release of the passengers. "Poor Man's Guided Missile" never entered into the equation.

The Twin Towers were of a unique construction to allow for large open areas of office space. Unlike conventional steel girder construction where the building without it's four exterior walls is as strong as with them, The World trade Center's main vertical support ran around the outside of the building; right where large planes impacted them, destroying those columns, weakening the overall building structure. Once the fires maintained after the initial fuel explosion, it was only a matter of time.

If you want to blame anybody for 9/11, blame Tom Clancy. The concept of slamming a commercial jet liner into a large building was used and explored in one of his Jack Ryan books a full 7 years prior to 9/11. I wonder where the idea to actually pursue this came from?

[Japan]

Originally Posted by Bojangles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Refuted by Dominick. Read more, be wrong less.

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[Eccentricaa]

Originally Posted by Bojangles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't like our societies' values, then move to that nation where your values built a strong enough society to carve out its own niche and defended itself from its neighbors, or start your own country where you can do whatever nonsense you seem to be advocating in the above lyrics.

"Our Societies Values"

By this do you mean your values? Or are you discussing religious values written in your holy book?

Like it or not, I am part of YOUR society, and MY opinion on how MY government is run, is just as valid as yours. My values, mean just as much to me, as you do to yours. I am not the one who is intolerant of other people's opinions, telling you to leave your country, because your values do not match mine.

Every citizen in this country, regardless of their religion or lack there of, deserve to have a say in how this government should be run. Everyone regardless of their political party affiliation should be standing up to the corruption in Washington. They should ALL be united in fighting to keep what little rights we have left. All citizens should be united in fighting the unconstitutional economic slavery that binds us to the Federal Reserve.

The flag is just a cloth, with some colors that was made in China. (Most US flags are no longer manufactured in the US.. ) People get worked up about burning a flag. Those same people pollute our air, fail to vote, beat their wives, cheat on their taxes, toss cigarettes and litter out the car window, waste tons of food, overflow our landfills, break the law, bail on child support, molest our children, and destroy this country in so many more ways than simply burning a flag. If you are someone who TRULY takes pride in this county, then you too should be doing something about it. Being the little keyboard warrior, bashing folks here wont change shit.



BTW
Jello Biafra, for those who are not familiar with his writings/songs, used to be the lead singer for the Dead Kennedy's back in the early days of punk. He is a political activist, and does a great deal of public speaking as well as performs spoken word concerts.

[girth]

This thread makes me wish I was Dexter IRL.

[purist]

Y'all need to toot it and boot it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWlMhiEL9Mc

[Goobles]

Has anyone ever thought about how many Muslims were in the WTCs when they fell?

[Bojangles]

Purist:
"Free speech is the apex of our society's values. If you don't like it, maybe you should be the one moving to a country that doesn't advocate it."

Wow, ignorance of what free speech means combined with utter, glaring hypocrisy. Free speech puts limits on what the government can do to regulate communication, it has nothing to do with what I deem to be valuable or worthless. You say I'm bad for telling people they should move to another country due to believing differently than I do(and you miss my real point), but then tell me to move to a different country because I believe differently than you do. Are you kidding me? Do you truly not see your own hypocrisy in that? You really think you should have the right to tell me I am wrong in believing that I have the right to tell someone else they are wrong? WTF moron.

My real point was that building a nation that can hold its own in a competitive world requires certain hard decisions about behavior towards outsiders be made, as well as curtailing individual freedoms of those within the nation, in order to maximize competitiveness. The things Eccentricaa and others rail against are precisely what made us powerful enough to be a nation with choices rather than a subservient people bowing to the will of others. I wasn't saying "Love it or leave it!" I was saying "What you rail against is what we need to remain strong enough to compete in the world. Try to carve out a nation with your panty-waist values and see how well you do." Thereby showing the need to keep the values that keep us competitive.

If liberalism prevails, in 50 years our children will be fighting to get housekeeping jobs in Beijing, and saying “yessah, massah Chang Dong Pang, I be cleanin the rugs bettah, no needs to beats me massah.”


Taxi2:
"Yeah, america is always defending itself!"
I never said it was solely about defense. I actually implied (and meant, see above) the opposite when I said "carve out its own niche..."


Eccentricaa:
"By this do you mean your values? Or are you discussing religious values written in your holy book?"

By this I mean the values that made our society great. What holy book are you talking about? Or is this that other great liberal pastime besides hypocrisy and ignorance, namely the straw man argument?


Eccentricaa:
"I am not the one who is intolerant of other people's opinions, telling you to leave your country, because your values do not match mine."

Again with the hypocrisy. Obviously you are intolerant of other peoples' opinions, or you wouldn't be attacking my opinions and saying that I shouldn’t be posting them in public.

Side note: So do you denounce Purist for telling me to leave the country?


Eccentricaa:
"Every citizen in this country, regardless of their religion or lack there of, deserve to have a say in how this government should be run."

We should do that sometime. Unfortunately the lunatic left has managed to highjack our country, and pervert its values and institutions. Poll after poll shows more Americans identify as conservative rather than liberal, yet our country has been lurching to the left since FDR, both fiscally and socially. Democrats run as centrists, then appoint judges (who far more than the legislature are the arbiters of what is 'right' and 'wrong') from the far left, who decide that babies can be killed, the government can seize private property to sell to Wal-Mart, whether gay marriage is legal/ illegal, etc. etc. etc.

So yes, we agree here completely. Every citizen should have an equal say in government. But the conservative voices have been silenced by shenanigans pulled by both political parties. And now that checks on that voice are being removed, you will hear it this coming election. And every election after that.


Eccentricaa:
"People get worked up about burning a flag. Those same people pollute our air, fail to vote, beat their wives, cheat on their taxes, toss cigarettes and litter out the car window, waste tons of food, overflow our landfills, break the law, bail on child support, molest our children, and destroy this country in so many more ways than simply burning a flag."

So people who are against burning the flag are also criminals? Any sort of facts to back up this crime wave from anti-flag burners? Of course not, you are a liberal and don't need facts to believe something, or to believe someone else is the stupid, deluded one for not believing the same as you. All the while believing that you are the tolerant one.


Eccentricaa:
"If you are someone who TRULY takes pride in this county, then you too should be doing something about it. Being the little keyboard warrior, bashing folks here wont change shit."

Even more hypocrisy. You are all about free speech, and now you tell me not to post my opinion. You also say I shouldn't post because it won't do any good... so why exactly are you posting here?


Goobles:
"Has anyone ever thought about how many Muslims were in the WTCs when they fell?"

At least 10.

[purist]

lol, this guy has to be a troll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmv04yKG-po

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C9JX6VRjn0

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"If liberalism prevails, in 50 years our children will be fighting to get housekeeping jobs in Beijing, and saying “yessah, massah Chang Dong Pang, I be cleanin the rugs bettah, no needs to beats me massah.”"