Game Mechanics: Dartain the Lost

[Erati]

someone give me his spawn time and I will test this out with you Dald [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daldaen]

The 3-4 level 60 enchanters/shamans disagreeing with me likely have the timer if I were a betting man.

But really... Can no one find a webpage about Dartain with a little more info? This could all be resolved with a single post of a guy saying he snared nuked rooted or slowed him in 2000-2001.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The 3-4 level 60 enchanters/shamans disagreeing with me likely have the timer if I were a betting man.

But really... Can no one find a webpage about Dartain with a little more info? This could all be resolved with a single post of a guy saying he snared nuked rooted or slowed him in 2000-2001.

I don't play hardly ever, pasi is above the lure of mere pp, and greeny eats pieces of shit like vib gaunts for breakfast (and so he doesn't farm dartain). It's nothing personal, Sonny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't play hardly ever, pasi is above the lure of mere pp, and greeny eats pieces of shit like vib gaunts for breakfast (and so he doesn't farm dartain). It's nothing personal, Sonny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It strikes me as such since literally the only people disagreeing are those who have soloed him several times in the past. I'm sure if you dug through ECTunnel histories you'd find a few posts about selling withered leather tunics and tomes of Miragul too!

If this had been a change to a named cycle mob in Skyfire, I doubt any of you would've posted. Just sayin'

[Man0warr]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you. Every ghost in that Tower is super MR already.

[Daldaen]

That's fine and I said in my OP he should be MR or damn near close. From my experience with him at 60, I don't think I had a single resist. Which sounds wrong to me given level 52-56 couldn't land anything.

52-56 not landing anything on a 55 mob means a 60 should, if the mob isn't outright immune, have a very tough time. Even when fully debuffed.

[Nirgon]

Reminds me of ice well guards. They aren't magic immune necessarily but they would resist 5/6 siphon strengths. Mobs like this I would describe as nigh immune whereas a mob like stone spider I'd say is completely immune. The 5/6 drain resist on mobs like this always puzzled me.

[Man0warr]

All I know is as a Enchanter, the ghosts in the tower are incredibly hard to mez even with Tash. Maybe 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 success.

[pasi]

If you go down to dartain on a lvl50 toon and try to land mr spells on him you will find that he is 'very' magic resistant.. This is in line with everything that is being cited, what you want to do is create your own interpretation of 14 year old posts and say that very mr to a lvl 50 translates to fully mr to a lvl60.. This is not the right way to approach changes on p99.

Yes. It's very very difficult to land binary spells (all or nothing) on debuffed even con mobs, let alone red con mobs. I often get a bunch of resists on tashed level 55 nameds (aka Dartain or Crypt). I can't imagine 52-56 characters regularly landing spells on a potentially undebuffed mob (no malo here, potentially tash). As far as level 60 slowable nameds, it's nearly impossible to land. On my Emp Chottal solo, I managed to land slow at around 40% after almost chaining it. And that is on a tashed mob... on multiple attempts

Anyhow, the argument for this:

1) A 65 cleric is able to land magic nukes on Dartain in 2003.

2) Levels help with resists, but they do not circumvent resistant mobs.
Evidence for this is various Kunark raid NPCs which were unslowable even while debuffed to a level 65. Interestingly enough, I got a copy of the level 70 slow chart and even level 70s could not slow these mobs while they were debuffed.

3) It is extremely unlikely that Dartain's MR status was changed in this time. The previously mentioned immune patch only hit Velious.
Evidence for this is the fact that nothing in Kunark transitioned from resistant to an immune tag; only Velious mobs did. The Kunark mobs that received an immune tag (a Black Reaver) all did so after the 2003 revamp of their respective zones. Dartain was taken out of the game at that time. Hell, Kunark mobs not having an immune tag might still be the case on live.

From these 3 statements, we can logically deduce that Dartain should not be MR. It doesn't tell us the degree of resistance, but we know the NPC isn't MR. A 52 paladin isn't landing much and a solo 65 cleric isn't having any issues. I would wager a level 60 with a MR debuff would face more similar resist patterns to the solo 65 cleric (undebuffed) than the 52 paladin. The current state is that the entire area is very resistant to level 60s with the exception of the Fallen Erudites which are a much lower level. That seems right to be, and there's been no evidence presented that has suggested otherwise.

Now, it would help me if you could identify which of the above 3 points you do not agree with so that I can focus my posts on that rather than include all this information with every post.

In addition, I don't think my enchanter has left EC in a year. There's not exactly a conflict of interest here for me.

[Daldaen]

I agree with #1 and 2. #3 I am somewhat skeptical on... but as a compromise I think increasing his MR to higher status rather than immunity would be a fair compromise based on the evidence presented then, yes?

If a mid-50s group finds it so MR that they call it immune, it should be more MR than it is currently.

Post up some logs of him resisting and getting hit by spells, I'm assuming pre-tashed.

PS - You mentioned he is Stun immune, shouldn't be vulnerable to stuns? Shouldn't classic mobs NOT be stun immune unless Giant, level 56+ or MR immune?