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Old 07-23-2014, 03:39 PM
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what threads are those? "now we need this" or "Now we need that" etc? thats been going on for years.

what r99 truly needs is a halfway decent community that can police itself, as opposed to encouraging each other into griefing and scumbaggery. the biggest problem with red is that its like blue but 10x smaller. but at the root, its the same problem; you have casuals versus hardcores.

the hardcores want a more hardcore game, the casuals want a more casual game. they separate by play style into opposing guilds.

but it doesn't matter, most redpals are too dumb to even notice the pros and cons of going back and getting that new player over and over, just because hes an easier kill than the people that have been there 2+ yrs and it helps make their epeen feel big and important.
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Old 07-23-2014, 03:47 PM
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what threads are those? "now we need this" or "Now we need that" etc? thats been going on for years.

what r99 truly needs is a halfway decent community that can police itself, as opposed to encouraging each other into griefing and scumbaggery. the biggest problem with red is that its like blue but 10x smaller. but at the root, its the same problem; you have casuals versus hardcores.

the hardcores want a more hardcore game, the casuals want a more casual game. they separate by play style into opposing guilds.

but it doesn't matter, most redpals are too dumb to even notice the pros and cons of going back and getting that new player over and over, just because hes an easier kill than the people that have been there 2+ yrs and it helps make their epeen feel big and important.
Thanks for responding. I agree the community is the biggest factor. However, that is also the hardest thing to influence. One of the ideas is variance... Once in.. it is ZERO maintenance. I guess nobody understands why it's so hard to just try it for a few months and see if it get's better. In all reality the server will HAVE to switch to variance at some point. On live we are already supposed to be in Plane of Time. Here is the thing. If the majority is in favor of it would the staff even consider just trying it.. you know. for science "D
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Old 07-23-2014, 04:57 PM
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what r99 truly needs is a halfway decent community that can police itself
remember that time AG got a raid suspension for sending a few people to help europa and literally every class r guild leader said "dont ban them"? yeeeah.. so much for players policing themselves.
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:55 PM
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what threads are those? "now we need this" or "Now we need that" etc? thats been going on for years.

what r99 truly needs is a halfway decent community that can police itself, as opposed to encouraging each other into griefing and scumbaggery. the biggest problem with red is that its like blue but 10x smaller. but at the root, its the same problem; you have casuals versus hardcores.

the hardcores want a more hardcore game, the casuals want a more casual game. they separate by play style into opposing guilds.

but it doesn't matter, most redpals are too dumb to even notice the pros and cons of going back and getting that new player over and over, just because hes an easier kill than the people that have been there 2+ yrs and it helps make their epeen feel big and important.
Holy shit it sickens me how far off you are since you are currently the longest active GM for red99.

Nihilum has a ton of casuals. Since the beginning of red99 it has never been a split between hardcore and casual players.

What hurts red99 are things like:

-resists
-melee hitting 2x as hard as they should
-ninja nerfing exp and lying about it to a bunch of nerds that know the game inside and out because they have nothing else to do
-bringing up false promises of a new server so people have a reason to not invest time into red99 then never working on it or giving updates
-stale content (not anyone's fault, that is what this server is about, eventually people will get bored and move on)

Don't blame the community, it is what it is. If these basement dweller's parents/teachers/mentors couldn't get through to them to make them functioning members of society this emulator isn't going to.

With that said the community actually is okay considering what you would expect. If you ask a new player they will tell you that people are much nicer to them than people are on blue. People are excited when new people come to the server and hook them up. Don't mix up PvP with griefing. Even twinks will be cool with players after they kill them as long as the loser doesn't rage and provoke more killing.

You want to know why RZ policed themselves back in 1999? It was because there was item loot so the people scared to lose items united against the PKers. It is the vision and rule set that provides the structure. This means Red99 lacked the vision to recreate an environment like RZ back in 1999. The hybrid blue/red FFA server that is Red99 doesn't naturally create a self policing community.


The game itself is good enough to attract and retain players, just don't fuck it up and try to listen to what the community is telling you. Coherent meaningful feedback turns into whining once it is mocked or ignored long enough.

I understand as well as anyone that most of the time people don't know what is good for them so I admit taking every suggestion would be counter productive.

GMs/Devs are easily as much to blame as the community is for any population decline.
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Old 07-23-2014, 08:27 PM
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Don't blame the community, it is what it is. If these basement dweller's parents/teachers/mentors couldn't get through to them to make them functioning members of society this emulator isn't going to.
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Old 07-23-2014, 08:46 PM
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Holy shit it sickens me how far off you are since you are currently the longest active GM for red99.

Nihilum has a ton of casuals. Since the beginning of red99 it has never been a split between hardcore and casual players.

What hurts red99 are things like:

-resists
-melee hitting 2x as hard as they should
-ninja nerfing exp and lying about it to a bunch of nerds that know the game inside and out because they have nothing else to do
-bringing up false promises of a new server so people have a reason to not invest time into red99 then never working on it or giving updates
-stale content (not anyone's fault, that is what this server is about, eventually people will get bored and move on)

Don't blame the community, it is what it is. If these basement dweller's parents/teachers/mentors couldn't get through to them to make them functioning members of society this emulator isn't going to.

With that said the community actually is okay considering what you would expect. If you ask a new player they will tell you that people are much nicer to them than people are on blue. People are excited when new people come to the server and hook them up. Don't mix up PvP with griefing. Even twinks will be cool with players after they kill them as long as the loser doesn't rage and provoke more killing.

You want to know why RZ policed themselves back in 1999? It was because there was item loot so the people scared to lose items united against the PKers. It is the vision and rule set that provides the structure. This means Red99 lacked the vision to recreate an environment like RZ back in 1999. The hybrid blue/red FFA server that is Red99 doesn't naturally create a self policing community.


The game itself is good enough to attract and retain players, just don't fuck it up and try to listen to what the community is telling you. Coherent meaningful feedback turns into whining once it is mocked or ignored long enough.

I understand as well as anyone that most of the time people don't know what is good for them so I admit taking every suggestion would be counter productive.

GMs/Devs are easily as much to blame as the community is for any population decline.
ya this post is p much spot on

sirken is very out of touch with reality if he actually believes the shit he says
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Old 07-23-2014, 08:49 PM
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Nobody cares about you red. Sorry to say, you don't matter. Red is an extra server that was lying around so they let Sirks toy around on it when he's bored, you kids are a byproduct of that playground.

Deal with it.
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Old 07-23-2014, 11:21 PM
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Nobody cares about you red. Sorry to say, you don't matter. Red is an extra server that was lying around so they let Sirks toy around on it when he's bored, you kids are a byproduct of that playground.

Deal with it.
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Old 07-23-2014, 03:43 PM
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:06 PM
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Sirken, I think you smell like garbage mixed with fresh spring scent.

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