Didn't Derubael and other GM's agree something was needed for end game?

[heartbrand]

I dunno what to tell you. What has Azrael done exactly in all seriousness? Lite took a crew basically gift wrapped to him back in Classic by myself and Samwise, and has added maybe 10-15 people to his "core." That's about it. I don't understand why the concept of having to recruit, level the new recruits, gear them, hold weekly raids, etc., is so shocking to people.

Why do people join Nihilum? Here are the options. Join Azrael where we won't level with you, won't help you with gear, have no scheduled raids, blow up OOC and the forums, and care more about ganking people 6v1 than leveling our new members, have people like Brainz 4 boxing Crypt to himself. OR, you can join Nihilum with 24/7 EXP groups, raids almost every single day, a group of people who rush to help you, hand you gear for free, and are generally friendly in OOC and forums. Man, I can't believe people keep joining Nihilum, it's truly shocking.

I was able to build a brand new core of players in RD 2.0 in 4 weeks. Literally all it took was 4 weeks to get around 35 people brand new to box considering themselves "RD" members. It likely could've gone higher had XP bonus not been removed completely. You had the an opportunity I never had over a month ago with RD, which was a special group EXP Bonus, decreased PVP level range, and a huge influx of new players. If I could get 35 people without any perks or freebies, I would imagine you could do so with all of that, combined with the fact you were getting all of the raid mobs! Yet what did you guys do? Spam the forums after every 50 v 20 victory over Wilan, shit up OOC, put 0 effort into recruiting, etc., etc. Now here you are crying for variance or something else.

You guys had 50 people three weeks ago. You want to know how to compete? RECRUIT. HAVE WEEKLY RAIDS. HAVE CONSTANT EXP GROUPS WORTH DKP. FARM RESIST JEWELRY FOR YOUR MEMBERS. STOP BEING TOXIC. REMOVE WORTHLESS PEOPLE LIKE BRAINZ / SICKPUPPY / CHIPP / SALEM. STOP PRETENDING TO BE A COUNTERSTRIKE GUILD ON A 1999 MMO BUILT AROUND SLAYING DRAGONS.

I won't even charge you a consultation fee on the advice cuz ur an old pal.

[Gaanon]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno what to tell you. What has Azrael done exactly in all seriousness? Lite took a crew basically gift wrapped to him back in Classic by myself and Samwise, and has added maybe 10-15 people to his "core." That's about it. I don't understand why the concept of having to recruit, level the new recruits, gear them, hold weekly raids, etc., is so shocking to people.

Why do people join Nihilum? Here are the options. Join Azrael where we won't level with you, won't help you with gear, have no scheduled raids, blow up OOC and the forums, and care more about ganking people 6v1 than leveling our new members, have people like Brainz 4 boxing Crypt to himself. OR, you can join Nihilum with 24/7 EXP groups, raids almost every single day, a group of people who rush to help you, hand you gear for free, and are generally friendly in OOC and forums. Man, I can't believe people keep joining Nihilum, it's truly shocking.

I was able to build a brand new core of players in RD 2.0 in 4 weeks. Literally all it took was 4 weeks to get around 35 people brand new to box considering themselves "RD" members. It likely could've gone higher had XP bonus not been removed completely. You had the an opportunity I never had over a month ago with RD, which was a special group EXP Bonus, decreased PVP level range, and a huge influx of new players. If I could get 35 people without any perks or freebies, I would imagine you could do so with all of that, combined with the fact you were getting all of the raid mobs! Yet what did you guys do? Spam the forums after every 50 v 20 victory over Wilan, shit up OOC, put 0 effort into recruiting, etc., etc. Now here you are crying for variance or something else.

You guys had 50 people three weeks ago. You want to know how to compete? RECRUIT. HAVE WEEKLY RAIDS. HAVE CONSTANT EXP GROUPS WORTH DKP. FARM RESIST JEWELRY FOR YOUR MEMBERS. STOP BEING TOXIC. REMOVE WORTHLESS PEOPLE LIKE BRAINZ / SICKPUPPY / CHIPP / SALEM. STOP PRETENDING TO BE A COUNTERSTRIKE GUILD ON A 1999 MMO BUILT AROUND SLAYING DRAGONS.

I won't even charge you a consultation fee on the advice cuz ur an old pal.

I am not crying for anything, this was already approved, and is necessary(simulated repops).

Maybe Lite does suck as a guild leader(I disagree), but no one else has used your simple key to success, or even tried - I find that suspicious you'd think someone would try. Oh wait many have, Force crew, Holo, Heresy, Rd 1.0, Rd 2.0, Azrael, Plug, Classic.

Regardless I see your point and I don't think we'll ever agree, I don't believe it's possible or it would have been demonstrated after 3 years.

PS the Willan rage was epic shit.

[Mac Drettj]

Originally Posted by Gaanon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not crying for anything, this was already approved, and is necessary(simulated repops).

Maybe Lite does suck as a guild leader(I disagree), but no one else has used your simple key to success, or even tried - I find that suspicious you'd think someone would try. Oh wait many have, Force crew, Holo, Heresy, Rd 1.0, Rd 2.0, Azrael, Plug, Classic.
.

Heresy was never griefed by Nihilum

Azrael, Plug, Classic all ate themselves (lite loot council)

Force was griefed off by Sharknado/Azrael

Holo was rogean banned




l2eq

[Gaanon]

Originally Posted by Mac Drettj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heresy was never griefed by Nihilum

Azrael, Plug, Classic all ate themselves (lite loot council)

Force was griefed off by Sharknado/Azrael

Holo was rogean banned




l2eq

I can't even really reply to you anymore my little retarded forum troll follower, but I appreciate you try so desperately to get me to reply to you.

[Sheriff]

Originally Posted by Mac Drettj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Heresy was never griefed by Nihilum

Azrael, Plug, Classic all ate themselves (lite loot council)

Force was griefed off by Sharknado/Azrael

Holo was rogean banned




l2eq

Lol. Stop. I remember multiple hate raids in which Nihilum dropped on our heads and killed. Then sat on our corpses for hours. I also remember the hate spewed by Rexx toward Nihilum before he called a hate raid never showed then left the guild.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Gaanon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not crying for anything, this was already approved, and is necessary(simulated repops).

Maybe Lite does suck as a guild leader(I disagree), but no one else has used your simple key to success, or even tried - I find that suspicious you'd think someone would try. Oh wait many have, Force crew, Holo, Heresy, Rd 1.0, Rd 2.0, Azrael, Plug, Classic.

Regardless I see your point and I don't think we'll ever agree, I don't believe it's possible or it would have been demonstrated after 3 years.

PS the Willan rage was epic shit.

Holocaust - Died due to Rogean ban + people not giving a fuck. Did not embrace my strategy as it was a group of VZTZ pals who had no interest in recruiting warm bodies to compete.

Red Dawn - Used my model, succeeded as well as it could have during double digit pop days until Lite hijacked guild

Heresy - I never saw a huge recruitment drive by Heresy, I know Lewis started randomly booting people at one point.

Azrael Plug Classic - Never did huge recruitment drive



So no, my model [which is hardly "my" model, it's common sense] hasn't been replicated on this server other than by Nihilum and my guilds. I'm not sure though again why the concept of doing recruiting drives, constant guild ran exp groups, scheduled weekly raiding, a friendly environment, written guild charter, fair loot system, etc., is somehow "strange" or "untested" tho.

[Gaanon]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Holocaust - Died due to Rogean ban + people not giving a fuck. Did not embrace my strategy as it was a group of VZTZ pals who had no interest in recruiting warm bodies to compete.

Red Dawn - Used my model, succeeded as well as it could have during double digit pop days until Lite hijacked guild

Heresy - I never saw a huge recruitment drive by Heresy, I know Lewis started randomly booting people at one point.

Azrael Plug Classic - Never did huge recruitment drive



So no, my model [which is hardly "my" model, it's common sense] hasn't been replicated on this server other than by Nihilum and my guilds. I'm not sure though again why the concept of doing recruiting drives, constant guild ran exp groups, scheduled weekly raiding, a friendly environment, written guild charter, fair loot system, etc., is somehow "strange" or "untested" tho.

Dunno why RD failed, guess Az grief was too much for u guys. Lite hijacked nobody which you already know.

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do people join Nihilum? Here are the options. Join Azrael where we won't level with you, won't help you with gear, have no scheduled raids, blow up OOC and the forums, and care more about ganking people 6v1 than leveling our new members, have people like Brainz 4 boxing Crypt to himself. OR, you can join Nihilum with 24/7 EXP groups, raids almost every single day, a group of people who rush to help you, hand you gear for free, and are generally friendly in OOC and forums. Man, I can't believe people keep joining Nihilum, it's truly shocking.

Lol. You just handed them victory on a platter if they'd listen to these wise words, but chances are they won't.