SO.. BUSH WAS AN IDIOT??

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Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

remember when we didnt negotiate with terrorists (besides in secret)?

Yeah, I remember it never getting us fucking anywhere.

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Originally Posted by BigHurb99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its not possible for that to affect our population in any significant way. no one cares. wait until religious crazies from either side embrace science and build a superbug ala the stand

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Scientists work off grants where theyre pressured to find bullshit about co2, so Al Gore can get rich off selling carbon credits for everytime we exhale. Of course we don't trust them.

C'mon, really? I actually have a PhD friend who's doing her research on why people don't believe in climate research (even though they'll happily go to the doctor and trust all the research that went in to treating their cancer, or walk in to a building trusting all the seismological research that went in to its construction, or ...). The people doing this research are doing it either out of pure scientific curiosity or because they're concerned about the end of the world (or both), not because they somehow have a financial interest in it. Trust me, climate researchers (hell ANY academic researchers) do not make bank.

I mean, let's break your idea down: first off, Al Gore doesn't "get rich" selling carbon credits, the US government does (and rich is a relative term here; carbon credits are not a significant source of the budget). Al Gore gets book deals, but lots of vice presidents (and even lower people on the totem pole) get those without talking about global warming. Second, even if Al Gore was somehow magically making millions off carbon credits, how exactly would he secretly channel all that money to the thousands of different researchers at hundreds of different institutions all over the world, without anyone knowing? That'd take some serious Illuminati shit.

In short, if you don't believe in global warming it could be for a lot of reasons (if you're actually curious, which I doubt, I could get the list from her), but it's not because there actually is an international conspiracy of evil scientists trying to enhance Al Gore's bank account.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

C'mon, really? I actually have a PhD friend who's doing her research on why people don't believe in climate research (even though they'll happily go to the doctor and trust all the research that went in to treating their cancer, or walk in to a building trusting all the seismological research that went in to its construction, or ...). The people doing this research are doing it either out of pure scientific curiosity or because they're concerned about the end of the world (or both), not because they somehow have a financial interest in it. Trust me, climate researchers (hell ANY academic researchers) do not make bank.

I mean, let's break your idea down: first off, Al Gore doesn't "get rich" selling carbon credits, the US government does (and rich is a relative term here; carbon credits are not a significant source of the budget). Al Gore gets book deals, but lots of vice presidents (and even lower people on the totem pole) get those without talking about global warming. Second, even if Al Gore was somehow magically making millions off carbon credits, how exactly would he secretly channel all that money to the thousands of different researchers at hundreds of different institutions all over the world, without anyone knowing? That'd take some serious Illuminati shit.

In short, if you don't believe in global warming it could be for a lot of reasons (if you're actually curious, which I doubt, I could get the list from her), but it's not because there actually is an international conspiracy of evil scientists trying to enhance Al Gore's bank account.

I did not read your post and I do believe in climate change but Al gore DOES get rich selling the "idea" of carbon credits he is also an investor in the company that provides these credits.

Al gore is a fraud.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did not read your post and I do believe in climate change but Al gore DOES get rich selling the "idea" of carbon credits he is also an investor in the company that provides these credits.

Al gore is a fraud.

I thought the government provided the credits? But I did google Gore it and it does look like he has invested a lot in climate change-related companies, like a smart grid company called Silver Spring Networks, that benefit from climate change laws. You could take that as "he cares a lot about this climate change stuff so he's investing in companies fighting it", or you could see it as "he's creating a need then investing in companies that fill that need", but at worst he's doing something the military industrial complex companies do all the time and no one is jumping on them.

Originally Posted by Faron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not that people don't believe in climate change, it's that they don't believe in the politicized side of it - that humans have any significant impact on it.

The idea that humans have a significant impact isn't political. Well I mean, of course it is, but it's agreed on by the overwhelming consensus (like 95%) of climate scientists, so it's not about what Al Gore believes or what Rush Limbaugh believes or whatever: the people that study and really know about this stuff all agree on it.

The political part comes from companies owning oil and gas resources doing the math and figuring "if we spend $5 million making it look like there's an argument even though there isn't, it can save us from $20 million in regulations." The tobacco companies did the same thing for years trying to make it seem like there was no consensus on cigarettes causing lung cancer, and while eventually they got regulated they did succeed in delaying regulation for a long time.

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Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually I once was a brainwashed global warming drool cup. Then I used my brain instead of parroting everything Al Gore says (who's set up to make billions in carbon credits).

All Gore is a politician before anything. There's a reason he's not the poster child for environmental awareness any more (even when he was, he was mostly a joke). Pick a new drum to beat on.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And so what? Consensus has been proven time and time again wrong. Copernicus and Galileo's books were initially burned. Humans are sheep, it's foolish to believe the scientific community is infallible.

As I said before, you all trust the official story on all other science. When you break your leg you don't tell your doctor "the scientific community is fallible and I don't want to be a sheep; rub some ducks on my wound!"

But for some reason, when it comes to a topic that big oil and big coal have paid millions to confuse you about, you suddenly don't trust the scientists. I wonder why?

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And so what? Consensus has been proven time and time again wrong. Copernicus and Galileo's books were initially burned. Humans are sheep, it's foolish to believe the scientific community is infallible.

Your appeal to authority won't work. Even if it did, the basic premise of your comparative argument is flawed. The Catholic church was a menace that kept civilisation in the dark ages for half a millennia longer than it needed to be. These scientists which you unfoundedly mistrust are the group that's trying to continue pushing humanity forward.

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who decides what is and isn't reputable?

Can't bring myself to dignify this with a response.

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually my reservations against the theory of evolution and the theory of the big bang are well expressed on these forums. I don't think we have very many real scientists in the world, just parrots.

Trust me, nobody claimed you were intelligent.

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Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't bring myself to dignify this with a response.

But you're willing to argue the matter with us? don't get self righteous on us.

this thread is hilarious.