Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are worth two alone Tiggles baby. You don't need a underling to help you.

When his comedy partner behaves eccentrically, the straight man's response ranges from aplomb to outrage, or from patience to frustration. He makes his partner look all the more ridiculous by being completely serious.

ok Tiggles/Xatsen

[Lazie]

Well Chest lying in his post doesn't help. He says his guild went in seconds after. It was a full half hour after TMO (Who broke fear) went in and then had GT join them. I was on a chanter and was 3 minutes late to the clear.

When I entered.
[Mon Jun 02 17:41:31 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear.

First sign of BDA.

[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>

Chest also lies about us not having enough to AE what was left in the zone.

We had the following.

3 level 60 chanters.
2 Wizards
3 Clerics
2 Druids
1 Mage

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.

[Antarctica]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well Chest lying in his post doesn't help. He says his guild went in seconds after. It was a full half hour after TMO (Who broke fear) went in and then had GT join them. I was on a chanter and was 3 minutes late to the clear.

When I entered.
[Mon Jun 02 17:41:31 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear.

First sign of BDA.

[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>

Chest also lies about us not having enough to AE what was left in the zone.

We had the following.

3 level 60 chanters.
2 Wizards
3 Clerics
2 Druids
1 Mage

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.

It doesn't matter what happened before. Training is illegal. Chest could have denied TMO/GT entry to his orgy, told all of you to fuck off, called your mother a whore, and still training would not be justified.

Get yourself "neo TMO," and raise the white flag for the betterment of this server.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Antarctica [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter what happened before. Training is illegal. Chest could have denied TMO/GT entry to his orgy, told all of you to fuck off, called your mother a whore, and still training would not be justified.

Get yourself "neo TMO," and raise the white flag for the betterment of this server.

Um... It does matter because BDA cannot zone in and disrupt the zone by monopolizing the spawns. Especially if they are the 2nd party into the zone. They have to talk to the other people in zone and ask them to choose which camp/mobs they want before proceding. That is the server rules and attempts were made to work this out with them. They also cannot pull their "train" through an existing party in the zone (Which happened).

Again we were legitimately trying to put together an AE for the rest of the zone when we saw they were being unreasonable and trying to monopolize the zone without consideration for other people already in the zone a full 30 minutes ahead of them. It caused the clusterfuck of 2 guilds trying to pull and having mobs and trains cross other people in the zone. I am not debating if the train was intentional or not as I was not the guy playing the character and have no idea what was going through his head or his intentions. I know in vent the monks were told to start an AE pull. No one was told to "Train the other guild".

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well Chest lying in his post doesn't help. He says his guild went in seconds after. It was a full half hour after TMO (Who broke fear) went in and then had GT join them. I was on a chanter and was 3 minutes late to the clear.

When I entered.
[Mon Jun 02 17:41:31 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear.

First sign of BDA.

[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>

Chest also lies about us not having enough to AE what was left in the zone.

We had the following.

3 level 60 chanters.
2 Wizards
3 Clerics
2 Druids
1 Mage

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.

These logs look pretty doctored to me - our batphone was called at 5:21 central and we zoned in about 20 minutes later. It was definitely before 6:00 when we zoned in.

[Ambrotos]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well Chest lying in his post doesn't help. He says his guild went in seconds after. It was a full half hour after TMO (Who broke fear) went in and then had GT join them. I was on a chanter and was 3 minutes late to the clear.

When I entered.
[Mon Jun 02 17:41:31 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear.

First sign of BDA.

[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>

Chest also lies about us not having enough to AE what was left in the zone.

We had the following.

3 level 60 chanters.
2 Wizards
3 Clerics
2 Druids
1 Mage

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.

It doesn't matter if you did or not anyways. People are allowed to raid where they want, when they want. This includes 1-10 guilds in fear/hate/sky(player made agreement has prevented this). It can also include two guilds AOEing in fear. As long as you don't train people, and take other peoples pulls there isn't a disruption. In extreme cases 2 perople pling by aoeing unrest/bb or bards in dreadlands swam kiting is what that rule was about

Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area.

20 mobs in a zone with 200+ isn't monopolizing on either side.

The best part is you just undermined your own co-leaders grasp at straws at some idea bda was breaking the rules. Claiming aoeing fear is a disruption when you claim you intended to do the same thing? wtf

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

8. You may not disrupt the normal playability of a zone or area.

Zone/Area Disruption is defined as any activity designed to harm or inconvenience a number of groups rather than a specific player or group of players. This includes, but is not limited to::

-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area.

Why was BDA in violation of the server Play-nice-Policy by occupying Plane of Fear while it was currently being raided by Genocidal Tendencies?

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.

This is why chardok aoe groups are allowed. People can still exp in chardok with the same difficult type mobs in the zone.

Please let Xasten or Tiggles post for you for now on. This is in agreement with TrollTeam TMO.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter if you did or not anyways. People are allowed to raid where they want, when they want. This includes 1-10 guilds in fear/hate/sky(player made agreement has prevented this). It can also include two guilds AOEing in fear. As long as you don't train people, and take other peoples pulls there isn't a disruption. In extreme cases 2 perople pling by aoeing unrest/bb or bards in dreadlands swam kiting is what that rule was about 20 mobs in a zone with 200+ isn't monopolizing on either side.

The best part is you just undermined your own co-leaders grasp at straws at some idea bda was breaking the rules. Claiming aoeing fear is a disruption when you claim you intended to do the same thing? wtf





This is why chardok aoe groups are allowed. People can still exp in chardok with the same difficult type mobs in the zone.

Please let Xasten or Tiggles post for you for now on. This is in agreement with TrollTeam TMO.

You actually don't know the server rules that you were a GM of ? Interesting.

2. You must comply with arbitration for contested spawns.

There are cases where two or more groups wish to kill the same NPC or hunt in the same area. In these cases, the groups are required to compromise.

If an equitable compromise cannot be reached between the players prior to Project 1999 Customer Service Staff involvement, the P99CSR will mandate a compromise. Any such compromise is final and not open to debate. Refusing to abide by these terms will be considered disruption and may result in disciplinary action.

It is therefore strongly suggested that the groups make every attempt to reach a compromise that they can live with prior to involving a P99CSR, who may mandate a compromise that does not suit you to the extent that a player-devised compromise would.

Note: A "group" in this case is defined as a party of one or more characters that are united in a common belief or goal and are capable of completing that goal.


Now this is a recent update via Derubael so you may not know about it.

[Ambrotos]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You actually don't know the server rules that you were a GM of ? Interesting.

2. You must comply with arbitration for contested spawns.

There are cases where two or more groups wish to kill the same NPC or hunt in the same area. In these cases, the groups are required to compromise.

If an equitable compromise cannot be reached between the players prior to Project 1999 Customer Service Staff involvement, the P99CSR will mandate a compromise. Any such compromise is final and not open to debate. Refusing to abide by these terms will be considered disruption and may result in disciplinary action.

It is therefore strongly suggested that the groups make every attempt to reach a compromise that they can live with prior to involving a P99CSR, who may mandate a compromise that does not suit you to the extent that a player-devised compromise would.

Note: A "group" in this case is defined as a party of one or more characters that are united in a common belief or goal and are capable of completing that goal.


Now this is a recent update via Derubael so you may not know about it.

Just stop. Someone really needs to pull your chain back and call you off.

Area ≠ Entire zone. Using your logic someone could zone into guk and say they want to kill a frog and don't want anyone else to and can petition.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just stop. Someone really needs to pull your chain back and call you off.

Area ≠ Entire zone. Using your logic someone could zone into guk and say they want to kill a frog and don't want anyone else to and can petition.

No it is you not understanding. The rules state a reasonable compromise. Try to actually read and understand. If people are being unreasonable (Which the leadership of BDA was in the case of fear) then it usually escalates to GMs being involved. You are the one that should stop now btw and take time to read and comprehend.

[Tiggles]

Thread is getting off track, can we remember how Chest thinks he is a GM and if his guild muzzled him they might actually not be despised by the staff at large?