GM Available for Discussion on What are actually considered camps?

[Erica]

In 58 1/2 levels I've only ran into camp issues twice. People for the most part seem to respect camps, though might sneak pulls from someone elses when they can't find anything else up. But confronted they stop usually.

(While in KC) A GM told me that a camp is whatever you can see from where you are sitting. IE Hand room is only a camp of 4 mobs and if you have been clearing WL, it is still FFA. LCY is that main room, plus the next room with the well in it but nothing behind the doors in that room. Obviously wouldn't apply to DL, or you could camp a huge section of the zone, going by what you can see. They also told me you can't pull through someone elses camp, so according to them I could set up my camp right outside the hand room, and they would not be allowed to pull anything but the 4 hands.

I know the GMs are busy and aren't paid, but it would be nice if the rules in general, especially on some things like this were gone into in more detail with specific examples. Seems like the rules change slightly GM to GM when it comes to camps.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Erica [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(While in KC) A GM told me that a camp is whatever you can see from where you are sitting. IE Hand room is only a camp of 4 mobs and if you have been clearing WL, it is still FFA. LCY is that main room, plus the next room with the well in it but nothing behind the doors in that room. Obviously wouldn't apply to DL, or you could camp a huge section of the zone, going by what you can see. They also told me you can't pull through someone elses camp, so according to them I could set up my camp right outside the hand room, and they would not be allowed to pull anything but the 4 hands..

This devious how can I fuck someone over within the rules thinking is why this game sucks, on both a grouping and raiding level. Quit being a douche. Respect other people's camps. Most players consider Hands / WLs a singular camp, regardless of GM interference. Trying to restrict a group of 6 players to 4 mobs is just inhumane.

[Erica]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This devious how can I fuck someone over within the rules thinking is why this game sucks, on both a grouping and raiding level. Quit being a douche. Respect other people's camps. Most players consider Hands / WLs a singular camp, regardless of GM interference. Trying to restrict a group of 6 players to 4 mobs is just inhumane.

Why would you read that and assume it is something that I actively do, or want to do? I was pointing out that the definition of a camp the GM gave me is very flawed. Restricting a camp to what you can see, in a place with a ton of walls is not good. I am totally in favor of hand/WL and surrounding areas being one camp, but according to what the GM said it is not.

[Cecily]

That's the point. If you call a GM in to mediate a camp dispute, you'll likely get a resolution far less in your interest than just moving on or waiting for the camp to open. Camps are player defined, not GM defined. Learn what these are, and hope people agree to not be jerks about it.

[Swish]

Don't be lawyered off anything unless its a static spawn that someone was already sitting at when you turned up.

Unfortunately the sheen soon wears off the "help each other" mentality if there's pixels involved. TunnelQuest is srs business and not to be taken lightly on blue. Thankfully there's other servers if the bickering, sniping and lawyering gets to you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[NegaStoat]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't be lawyered off anything unless its a static spawn that someone was already sitting at when you turned up.

Unfortunately the sheen soon wears off the "help each other" mentality if there's pixels involved. TunnelQuest is srs business and not to be taken lightly on blue. Thankfully there's other servers if the bickering, sniping and lawyering gets to you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Flamewraith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every single fucking thread on blue that has some form of a problem, be it KSing, poopsocking, or ninja looters has 2-3 reds on it going "roll red pathetic blubies, we don't have these problems there you pathetic blubies." I don't think I have EVER seen a blue comment like that on the red forums, yet it literally happens EVRY SINGLE FUCKING BLUE THREAD. I'm sure I'll be flamed with all sorts of "mad blubie" comments for this.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it's really gotten this bad, feel free to link those posts in the petition/exploit forum and we will take care of it.

Few, if any, red players should be coming over here to do that now outside of RnF. If you see it in Server Chat, and it's unprovoked, let us know.

[Cecily]

This thread wouldn't happen red.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread wouldn't happen red.

That's because nothing happens on Red.

[Daldaen]

Other servers where you can cross Norrath and not run into a single other person. Because bad rule sets lead to no one wanting to play on those servers.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other servers where you can cross Norrath and not run into a single other person. Because bad rule sets lead to no one wanting to play on those servers.

That's just like...your opinion, Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]