What makes Rangers worse tanks than Shadow Knights or Paladins?

[Cecily]

That's called Veteran Rewards.

[koros]

Ranger with a Baton of Flame and a Salindrite Dagger/Claw of Lightning with the atk upgrades towards the end of Velious should be top tier dps. Above a war, and ~10-20% below a monk or ~20% behind a rogue with equal gear.

Rogue relative dps declines vs other classes due to backstab damage not increasing, while monks lose a good bit of their relative ratio advantage (although they get moved to a slightly improved hit table). Meanwhile ranger atk/weapon skill/double attack increases and weapon ratios massively improve vs Kunark.

[Ciroco]

A lot of the rhetoric about Rangers in Velious is exaggerated, but I have to say, reading through the patch notes has me pumped.

[Deltaloko]

"Above a war, and ~10-20% below a monk or ~20% behind a rogue with equal gear."

Wouldnt that make them tier 2 dps, with tier 1 being rogue/monk?

[koros]

Originally Posted by Deltaloko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Above a war, and ~10-20% below a monk or ~20% behind a rogue with equal gear."

Wouldnt that make them tier 2 dps, with tier 1 being rogue/monk?

Shrug, I guess it's how you want to define tier. Still better than nearly every class. Also, this isn't factoring in casting DPS which will be 10-20 dps vs some targets. Also I don't know if anyone has parsed Trueshot + BFG but that's very likely to beat anything else period.

[fadetree]

I personally don't care what dps tier I'm in, I just enjoy rangering. We do get better in Velious, but not enough to displace the traditional favorites, many of whom also get better. The removal of the exp penalty, addition of panic animal, and some melee and spell ATK upgrades put us in a much better position. I'm looking forward to it. Part of what I like about rangers is the difficulty, so if they got too much better I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally don't care what dps tier I'm in, I just enjoy rangering. We do get better in Velious, but not enough to displace the traditional favorites, many of whom also get better. The removal of the exp penalty, addition of panic animal, and some melee and spell ATK upgrades put us in a much better position. I'm looking forward to it. Part of what I like about rangers is the difficulty, so if they got too much better I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much.

This person knows what he is talking about. A Ranger is a HARD class to play without dying. You know and I know they, like a lot of classes, they are squishy. I have said on here before they are a cat and mouse class. And they are the cat. They have so many good tools if you know how to play one its scary. It takes skill to play one and I mean a lot of skill, but it is so rewarding to do it. It is not some class you just sit there and spam a spell or hit a button with. You have to think, its like a chess game, and that is what is exciting about them. They will be fun as hell to play in Velious.

I had a duel epic one on live, probably got the epics in the Velious expansion, I don't remember, long time ago, and it was a killing machine solo. Not a fast killing machine, but it got the job done. Snare is a GOOD thing, it makes some stuff happen that you can only do on a few classes. But with snare and their bow, if you know how to play one, you hardly get hit over 40% of the fight. And you will kiss their butts to track for you in Velious.

[Daldaen]

While BFG may look cool or have a cool proc. It's damage absolutely blows.

Windstriker stays the best bow through Velious. The Sleeper's Tomb Bows and AoW bow are better, but it will be awhile before those become available.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While BFG may look cool or have a cool proc. It's damage absolutely blows.

Windstriker stays the best bow through Velious. The Sleeper's Tomb Bows and AoW bow are better, but it will be awhile before those become available.

I'm not talking about using it in the range slot.

[Ciroco]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While BFG may look cool or have a cool proc. It's damage absolutely blows.

Windstriker stays the best bow through Velious. The Sleeper's Tomb Bows and AoW bow are better, but it will be awhile before those become available.

Purely damage wise, there will be many bows better than Windstriker. Wind Saber already is if you shell out the cash for good arrows.