I heard TMO trained Taken and BDA?

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was a Class C mob where you can train the other guy and say "oh well you can take since we ruined your day" There is more then 2 guilds that were competing in this instance. A week should be your punishment not 1 mob for you to sell MQ's from the loot of.

We conceded to both class R guilds. What's the problem?

This was a tracker train at VS pit. It happens 10x during every VS window and doesn't even get petitioned. The only reason anything came of this at all, is that VS happened to spawn before our cleric could rez him. You're asking an awful lot for an accidental train which occurred while VS wasn't even up.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This wasn't a Class C mob where you can train the other guy and say "oh well you can take since we ruined your day" There is more then 2 guilds that were competing in this instance. A week should be your punishment not 1 mob for you to sell MQ's from the loot of.

The ultimate punishment is solely in the hands of the staff. Our suppositions that we've resolved the matter are based off of historical precedent.

Consider the facts: BDA's tracker was trained "accidentally," and only while he was being CR'd with the assistance of TMO did VS spawn. Had VS not spawned and TMO CR'd him, any harm done would have been ameliorated and the tracker would be in the exact same position he was before the train. However, VS did spawn, and TMO conceded. BDA took the kill and ended up in the same best case position they could have been in had TMO never showed up. Any damage caused was fully mitigated. If someone punches you in the arm, you don't get to sue him because he "could have" broken your arm; you take him for the damages he actually caused.

The only open left is whether or not the train was intentional. Given that the trainer was helping CR, I think it's more likely than not that he's innocent of malicious conduct.

Any comparisons with Azure Guard's situations are tenuous at best; however, I do feel that AG's punishment, while understandable, was far too strict given the overall sentiment of support throughout Class R.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Emsee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really are a stupid fuck if you think in any way, shape, or form that those 2 incidents are related. AG was told why the GM's felt that they had to push the suspension even if the other R's didn't care. They accepted their punishment and moved on. Had they realized the mistake and left without an engage, maybe you could try to intertwine these issues. As it stands, playing stupid is about all you have.

Never said they were related. Said both of them were both accidents. AG gave their reasoning and everyone but the GM's agreed it was a accident. Still got suspended. TMO trains. They give their reasoning some people agree it was a accident. Not suspended. And TMO's "well we didnt get loot and conceded it" AG didnt get loot from it either and if given the chance would have conceded too. But no keep going on with "we can screw a guild and say sorry and its ok".

[Uuruk]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never said they were related. Said both of them were both accidents. AG gave their reasoning and everyone but the GM's agreed it was a accident. Still got suspended. TMO trains. They give their reasoning some people agree it was a accident. Not suspended. And TMO's "well we didnt get loot and conceded it" AG didnt get loot from it either and if given the chance would have conceded too. But no keep going on with "we can screw a guild and say sorry and its ok".

pras

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never said they were related. Said both of them were both accidents. AG gave their reasoning and everyone but the GM's agreed it was a accident. Still got suspended. TMO trains. They give their reasoning some people agree it was a accident. Not suspended. And TMO's "well we didnt get loot and conceded it" AG didnt get loot from it either and if given the chance would have conceded too. But no keep going on with "we can screw a guild and say sorry and its ok".

so accidental training = Killing something out of turn via Nexus or KS'ing another guilds FTE are breaking all of the same rule? or could you be more specific which rule TMO broke... in the RAID RULES therefore netting a raid suspension?

[Detoxx]

Thats the bed you carebears made with class r lockouts and rotations, now lie in it

[Joyelle]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ultimate punishment is solely in the hands of the staff. Our suppositions that we've resolved the matter are based off of historical precedent.

Consider the facts: BDA's tracker was trained "accidentally," and only while he was being CR'd with the assistance of TMO did VS spawn. Had VS not spawned and TMO CR'd him, any harm done would have been ameliorated and the tracker would be in the exact same position he was before the train. However, VS did spawn, and TMO conceded. BDA took the kill and ended up in the same best case position they could have been in had TMO never showed up. Any damage caused was fully mitigated. If someone punches you in the arm, you don't get to sue him because he "could have" broken your arm; you take him for the damages he actually caused.

The only open left is whether or not the train was intentional. Given that the trainer was helping CR, I think it's more likely than not that he's innocent of malicious conduct.

Any comparisons with Azure Guard's situations are tenuous at best; however, I do feel that AG's punishment, while understandable, was far too strict given the overall sentiment of support throughout Class R.

Actually your facts are wrong. TMO trained Taken's tracker, not BDA. BDA ended up with the kill (fair and square). Had Taken not been trained by TMO we may have been in a better position to get the kill for ourselves, but that cannot be determined as I'm sure BDA was just as ready as we would have been. So even though you conceded the mob, you still fucked over Taken, while BDA got the spoils (still fair and square).

[captnamazing]

no reason for GM intervention since guilds worked it out
thanks for playing
turn in your books to priest of discord today

[doyoueventrainbro]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought IB wasn't supposed to post in RnF, or is it cool if it's an anon account?

So much objectiveness from the GM staff on p99!

[chickmagnet]

In that case, where is Taken's suspension for assisting in the KS of Faydedar? Not to mention, where is the fraps of this train? at least give RnF that....seeing that the mob was conceded, that train didn't improve tmo's chances as a guild of getting VS, so the guild in it's entirety should not be punished, now as per the individual who trained you....fraps or it didn't happen