Really Getsome and IB ? - Page 6

HeallunRumblebelly · #1 05-25-2014, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Socratic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems obvious to me that anyone you paid to FTE for you would eat one of your 2 allowed FTE slots, and any extra people at the spawn would result in some sort of raid suspension for trying to get around the rules.

Unless of course you are IB. Then they would just tell you not to do it again.

That's what I thought as well. The first part--they count as one of your FTE'rs and would be ineligible to transfer fte. But from a purely theoretical perspective, if tmo were to split into two guilds but raid together, would we be allowed 4 fte'rs? Does this then prevent guilds from assisting on each other's targets? I remember when fe / ib were a thing we were also restricted to 2 fte'rs, which would then only make sense that you would be unable to even assist other guilds as they make their attempt.

Hitpoint · #2 05-25-2014, 06:23 PM

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And lastly, requiring people to tag pullers is ridiculous and only carebears would cry about such a thing. People should just be banned if they can't figure out how FTE rules work.

Pretty much. Guilds have been pulling and FTEing on unguilded chars for as long as I've been raiding. IB's done it, FE did it, and TMO will do it. Hell, I just did it last week and nobody complained. The only reason this is an issue at all is because IB was looking for a way to weasel a fay kill even though they missed FTE. And Taken sided with them because they missed Fay also, and have no idea how raiding works.

SamwiseRed · #3 05-25-2014, 12:15 PM

if i ran a guild on blue the app process would consist of getting FTE. only then would you be tagged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rellapse40 · #4 05-25-2014, 12:33 PM

blue sounds fucking awful jesus holy fucking christ

HeallunRumblebelly · #5 05-25-2014, 01:29 PM

Raid discussion thread on fay locked. Ended on this note:

as i told Hokushin, if they have more than two reps, let us know and i'll smash their face. but they were following the rules, so you guys had absolutely zero right to just skip over the rules simply because you couldnt figure out what was happening.

everyone read this carefully, EVEN IF Golden was a legit unguilded scrub, if he has FTE, thats his dragon. and EVEN THEN you are not allowed to KS the mob.

there is no universe that exists where u can paint a picture of what happened at Fay and walk away being right. you guys are 110% in the wrong.
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Ambrotos · #6 05-25-2014, 01:38 PM

It's always been clear that FTE message is king. There has been no question about it. So many rulings before the formal raid rules were put out about it should have made it clear. Pretending otherwise is trying to game the system.

HeallunRumblebelly · #7 05-25-2014, 01:41 PM

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It's always been clear that FTE message is king. There has been no question about it. So many rulings before the formal raid rules were put out about it should have made it clear. Pretending otherwise is trying to game the system.

And what does precedent say about disregarding FTE (post yellow text), killing the mob, looting the mob, and then attempting to argue such an obvious error to the GMs?

Mezzmur · #8 05-25-2014, 01:59 PM

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And what does precedent say about disregarding FTE (post yellow text), killing the mob, looting the mob, and then attempting to argue such an obvious error to the GMs?

IMHO, All the loot belongs to me and me alone. Fuck TMO.

Ambrotos · #9 05-25-2014, 02:03 PM

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And what does precedent say about disregarding FTE (post yellow text), killing the mob, looting the mob, and then attempting to argue such an obvious error to the GMs?

The way Sirken ran it last I checked (2 months ago), was that guild gives up the loot to the other guild and misses out on the next encounter they had gamed. AKA No fay for them next time it comes up. No idea how he is doing it now with FFA/different classes killing. I'm guessing if it was FFA, no chance on the next one. Right now your guess is as good as mine now.

HeallunRumblebelly · #10 05-25-2014, 02:08 PM

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The way Sirken ran it last I checked (2 months ago), was that guild gives up the loot to the other guild and misses out on the next encounter they had gamed. AKA No fay for them next time it comes up. No idea how he is doing it now with FFA/different classes killing. I'm guessing if it was FFA, no chance on the next one. Right now your guess is as good as mine now.

Yeah that happened on xygoz / nexona. Which makes sense--both of those were errors on the part of having too many in place, not even attempting for FTE. I think Nexona might've actually been something to do with training or disruption, but I don't think it was overly malicious. Unfortunately this also means that if you can get away with cheating at least twice for every time you get caught, it's worthwhile to continue to do so.