The New TMO

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Also, with how petition heavy raiding is atm, you better believe if there was a question of who was an unguilded FTE'r at a spawn they'd be spammed with who are you over and over again and then petitioned after the fact even if they didn't get FTE to have the offending guild suspended / forfeiture of mobs. Getsome is usually better than this, he overplayed his hand here. GMs need to sack up--they banned an entire guild on red for exploiting naggy/vox. Let's see how blatant disregard for easily followable and established server rules by an entire guild goes.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, with how petition heavy raiding is atm, you better believe if there was a question of who was an unguilded FTE'r at a spawn they'd be spammed with who are you over and over again and then petitioned after the fact even if they didn't get FTE to have the offending guild suspended / forfeiture of mobs.

Exactly, that way you win on both counts:

A) FTE is legit, you backed off and lost a kill, nothing happens.

B) FTE is not legit, appropriate action is taken against the offending party.

Why risk a shitstorm?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Erydan Ouragan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly, that way you win on both counts:

A) FTE is legit, you backed off and lost a kill, nothing happens.

B) FTE is not legit, appropriate action is taken against the offending party.

Why risk a shitstorm?

Because getsome thought he could get away with it. EQ is about rubbing your nuts on the face of opposing guilds. Blatantly breaking the rules and then trying to claim the other guild did something shady is the ultimate sack-face rub.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, with how petition heavy raiding is atm, you better believe if there was a question of who was an unguilded FTE'r at a spawn they'd be spammed with who are you over and over again and then petitioned after the fact even if they didn't get FTE to have the offending guild suspended / forfeiture of mobs. Getsome is usually better than this, he overplayed his hand here. GMs need to sack up--they banned an entire guild on red for exploiting naggy/vox. Let's see how blatant disregard for easily followable and established server rules by an entire guild goes.

I just figured IB doesn't Fraps of you guys breaking rules on anything earlier this week to rotate mobs so you guys actually need to petition against each other now.

If IB didn't see a FTE message when they tagged, they knew better and should have disengaged. This is similar to how Doljo's Maestro (the one time they actually killed a "raid mob") got reverted back to A-Team due to not having FTE.

That being said, this just sounds like another shady tactic by TMO to lure another guild into a trap so they could Fraps the infraction and use it to get a VP mob conceded to them... they just didn't count on a Class R guild being involved. If Golden is a regular puller, then there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be tagged right now unless you are purposely trying to cloud the engagement since there's very little way to do that now with FTE shouts.

What better way to confuse your competition and luring them into a petitionable offense than to mimic the ol' "some random newb accidentally aggro'd the outdoor dragon" scenario.

Is there any question why we don't want to deal with shady underhanded shit like this?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just figured IB doesn't Fraps of you guys breaking rules on anything earlier this week to rotate mobs so you guys actually need to petition against each other now.

If IB didn't see a FTE message when they tagged, they knew better and should have disengaged. This is similar to how Doljo's Maestro (the one time they actually killed a "raid mob") got reverted back to A-Team due to not having FTE.

That being said, this just sounds like another shady tactic by TMO to lure another guild into a trap so they could Fraps the infraction and use it to get a VP mob conceded to them... they just didn't count on a Class R guild being involved. If Golden is a regular puller, then there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be tagged right now unless you are purposely trying to cloud the engagement since there's very little way to do that now with FTE shouts.

What better way to confuse your competition and luring them into a petitionable offense than to mimic the ol' "some random newb accidentally aggro'd the outdoor dragon" scenario.

Is there any question why we don't want to deal with shady underhanded shit like this?

Indeed, we forced them to not wait for a new FTE message. God we're so fucking shady, Flippie on vent with like 50 of us pulling a mob for 15 minutes. Ask who's pulling? THERE'S NO TIME, BETTER KILL AND LOOT IT TO BE SURE.

Also, go read raid discussion. One of sirken's post on third page of this event's post--golden's pulled fay many many times and has been on the logs for doing so. Why did IB just now decide that golden was no longer pulling to TMO?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Indeed, we forced them to not wait for a new FTE message. God we're so fucking shady, Flippie on vent with like 50 of us pulling a mob for 15 minutes. Ask who's pulling? THERE'S NO TIME, BETTER KILL AND LOOT IT TO BE SURE.

Also, go read raid discussion. One of sirken's post on third page of this event's post--golden's pulled fay many many times and has been on the logs for doing so. Why did IB just now decide that golden was no longer pulling to TMO?

Question still hasnt been answered... if Golden is a regular puller for TMO, why isn't he tagged TMO? For the simple purpose of obfuscation of the engagement, right? Or is there another reason?

Or are you championing that all guilds should just remove guildtags for all their pullers to make FTE more of a clusterfuck after we finally got the FTE shouts to help uncloud the situation?

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Indeed, we forced them to not wait for a new FTE message. God we're so fucking shady, Flippie on vent with like 50 of us pulling a mob for 15 minutes. Ask who's pulling? THERE'S NO TIME, BETTER KILL AND LOOT IT TO BE SURE.

Also, go read raid discussion. One of sirken's post on third page of this event's post--golden's pulled fay many many times and has been on the logs for doing so. Why did IB just now decide that golden was no longer pulling to TMO?

He had every fuckin reason in the world to think the mob was his if Golden wasn't even tagged in tmo lol. Without a tag, Silver, or golden or whatever, has zero relevance to whether a mob belongs to tmo on a pull whatsoever. Glad I am done with this shit stain of a server lol. At least on red, you can kill opposing douche bags.

Without a Tag, You guys are seriously bending the rules by allowing that guy to pull for you. So what is it now, you have 2 reps in zone, plus an unguilded chars?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He had every fuckin reason in the world to think the mob was his if Golden wasn't even tagged in tmo lol. Without a tag, Silver, or golden or whatever, has zero relevance to whether a mob belongs to tmo on a pull whatsoever. Glad I am done with this shit stain of a server lol. At least on red, you can kill opposing douche bags.

Without a Tag, You guys are seriously bending the rules by allowing that guy to pull for you. So what is it now, you have 2 reps in zone, plus an unguilded chars?

You have no reason to believe any raid mob is yours without yellow text. It's been this way since forever. If it turns out Golden was some random jackoff kiting faydedar because of his secret hatred for IB, he'd be punished severely. You still have to wait for the yellow text.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He had every fuckin reason in the world to think the mob was his if Golden wasn't even tagged in tmo lol. Without a tag, Silver, or golden or whatever, has zero relevance to whether a mob belongs to tmo on a pull whatsoever. Glad I am done with this shit stain of a server lol. At least on red, you can kill opposing douche bags.

Without a Tag, You guys are seriously bending the rules by allowing that guy to pull for you. So what is it now, you have 2 reps in zone, plus an unguilded chars?

What's it like to live in a world where reason and logic don't exist?

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Golden is a regular puller, then there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be tagged right now unless you are purposely trying to cloud the engagement since there's very little way to do that now with FTE shouts.

What better way to confuse your competition and luring them into a petitionable offense than to mimic the ol' "some random newb accidentally aggro'd the outdoor dragon" scenario.

Is there any question why we don't want to deal with shady underhanded shit like this?

I admit it's pretty shady, but also easily avoidable. Look at the FTE shout. Is it one of your guys? No? Then you back off. Doesn't matter if the char is unguilded, or a lvl 5 bard alt with drums doing the pulling. If you see a new FTE message, you engage again.

Backing off when you don't have FTE should be an automatic reflex, because it's clearly stated in the rules.