Why Wizards Are So Bad?

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These wizard threads are all the same.

1. Some noob complains that either a) they feel underpowered as a wizard or b) they were told wizards suck or c) they were denied a group by a bunch of classists

2. Next, High-Level-Wizard X chimes in and points out, correctly, that Wizards are one of the best raid classes between ports and lures and can actually level pretty easily with quad kiting and chardok aoe; they just suck in XP groups.

3. Then Bad-Mathematician-Y takes tremendous offense at these comments, and claims how he knows the One True Way to play a wizard in xp groups to make them effective

4. Enchanter Z points out that Y is actually just playing a really gimp enchanter, and that an enchanter who doesn't charm can bring stuns, roots, 20 dps with tap-fueled nukes, and also massively powerful buff spells. And a charming enchanter is worth about 5 wizards.

At this point the thread will cycle through 1-4 for a random period of time.

Thanks - this is essentially what I was trying to avoid by putting it all out there at once [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nirgon]

Might have to bring an end game wizard and rogue to seb crypt and run a parse for science.

Appears also that the bane lines in Velious don't require belly cast (on live my lures did, banes didn't) which is great for dropping 1-2 between AoE's and jumping back behind the wall. Between that and the epic on ToV fights, you'd never need heals from aoe damage.

The defense rests.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Might have to bring an end game wizard and rogue to seb crypt and run a parse for science.

Go ahead, but you don't need one. If the group is pulling more or less at capacity, the only relevant data is the wizard's mana regen rate and damage per mana (using Sunstrike @ ~3.59 damage per mana). That's their max sustained dps. It's really low compared to even poorly geared rogues at the same level, much less VP/epic rogues.

It's a really simple math problem.

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Appears also that the bane lines in Velious don't require belly cast (on live my lures did, banes didn't) which is great for dropping 1-2 between AoE's and jumping back behind the wall. Between that and the epic on ToV fights, you'd never need heals from aoe damage.

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizards suck aside from quad kiting, raiding, and PBAoE groups.

/thread

[Gaffin 7.0]

bad class is bad would not play or group even on red gg nt tho

rogues win

[fastboy21]

on a static server, the advantage of dps casters in classic eq is continuously strained by over equipped melee for era.

wizards **only** doing dps meant more in classic when the average lvl 10 rogue didn't have his epic and a haste item yet, etc.

on this server, pure caster dps here is far less impressive than it was on live.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on a static server, the advantage of dps casters in classic eq is continuously strained by over equipped melee for era.

wizards **only** doing dps meant more in classic when the average lvl 10 rogue didn't have his epic and a haste item yet, etc.

on this server, pure caster dps here is far less impressive than it was on live.

This is very true, I remember pre kunark being in awe of my friends wizzy dps and thankful that I had one in my regular group. We also had a rogue, they were roommates IRL!

So that is a sad but true thought.

[Hailto]

Bouncer you still sober?

[Gaffin 7.0]

Yepp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hailto]

Nice