petition to keep map software off red99

[MC Epic]

Originally Posted by Mirox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Logs are available to everyone. This quote doesn't apply to logs. It applies to reading client memory or network streams like showeq does.

I'll address your first two sentences:
"Logs are available to everyone." - correct.
"This quote doesn't apply to logs." - correct.

And now your third sentence:
"It applies to reading client memory or network stream like showeq does." - Wrong.

Rogean's statement does not state that it is limited to third party programs which "read client memory or network stream". On the contrary, it states that any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.

I argue that this includes:

• Programs which circumvent the removal of personal maps
• Programs which automate gameplay without interacting with client memory or network stream
• Programs which offer community maps of multiple players on the map (really guys - this would NOT be hard to do and would NOT be hard to control access to. I've developed a few programs for clients which essentially do the same thing but are designed for inventory control)
• Programs which provide unintended advantage (oops that's a direct quote which fits each item in the list above).

I'm not saying /logging is wrong.
I'm saying that using a third party tool to UTILIZE logging in a way to circumvent the removal of in game maps is wrong.

Log to your hearts content. Parse logs for damage, fine, no complaints!
However, don't utilize third party software which exploits the logging function of EQ in order to gain access to a feature which is NOT ACCESSIBLE to everyone who chooses not to cheat.

[no chewie dont]

just wow

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QQ shits classic go cry on the pokemon forums

[Rettj]

Showeq also allowed according to Azrael TS

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lots of mad text spewing from nerds

who cares if some idiot has a map

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Originally Posted by tristantio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please read the first part here, it has been updated - the bottom part left in for
consistency:

UPDATE - APP EXE (executable) IS READY FOR DOWNLOAD AND USE (initial version)

Check it out!

https://github.com/ahungry/p99-patcher

Read the page there for help setting it up, the binary (exe file) can be found at:

http://ahungry.com/p99-patcher-min.7z

Just download, extract via 7-zip and you'll be able to double click the ".bat" file to launch it (it will open your default web browser to the patcher home page), you can then scroll down and click "Mapper" to open in a new tab the fun new map app!

Any and all feedback continues to be welcome! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can edit the settings.lisp if you have trouble with a non-standard EQ path, but the easiest
fix is to create a shortcut/symlink from your non-standard EQ path to a standard path, so
going to C:\Program Files\Sony\EverQuest will end up taking you to the install directory of EQ.

Make sure you have a maps/ and logs/ directories or the program will run into issues.

In the next build I'll add some additional error handling so it doesn't just die under those conditions.

Original post below:

Hi all,

In an effort to add some utility to my p99-patcher (https://github.com/ahungry/p99-patcher) I have added a new map app.

The tool only reads your log data (similar to the auction tracker uploader) - it does not touch raw packets or any memory/p99 files, so should be legal per policy.

The app will look through your log file for the latest /loc you have done, and map your location on the zone you are currently in.

I have plans to expand and have shared maps (latest player locations stored on my server), so you could set up a shared map account for your guild, and be able to view any guildie's location (if they were using the app and a /loc macro bound to a movement key) in real time (even across zones).

The current maps include all the details the Sony maps do (and are drawn client side in your web browser at http://localhost:4444/mapper/?map-name=ecommons (or whatever zone)).

I have plans to go through the wiki/allakhazam/eqatlas and update the map files to include the location data for static camps, so you would see pinpoints on a map that include:

• Your current location (thanks to a /loc macro)
• Your friends/guildies current locations (or maybe a global shared loc list)
• The data Sony provides (class trainer locations etc.)
• Mob spawns (maybe paths mapped out sometime as well)

The mapping is 100% real time if you do continually use your /loc macro.

I have a little work to do on auto-detecting the player's current zone (will have to have users do a /who all themself, or see if a message is entered into log when zoning), at which point i'll put up a static windows exe for download/use (the p99 patcher exe I have right now available does not have these mapper updates).

You can get it early or review the source on my github at https://github.com/ahungry/p99-patcher

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[MC Epic]

SET A PRECIDENT:
Players, Guides and GM's : Say "No" to third party programs.

[no chewie dont]

Originally Posted by MC Epic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SET A PRECIDENT:
Players, Guides and GM's : Say "No" to third party programs.

^^^this^^^

lets nip this problem in the bud b4 we have to quotation marks around words like "classic" and "legit" when describing project1999

[Rettj]

Originally Posted by MC Epic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SET A PRECIDENT:
Players, Guides and GM's : Say "No" to third party programs.

Lite<Azrael>, your guild leader, is an avid user of vpn/mac spoofing virtual machine software

nobody takes what you say seriously

[MC Epic]

I don't disagree with your final statement; just as they can't do anything about detecting ShowEQ on a mirrored switch port (luckily not available to everybody).

It's ultimately a community choice whether to associate a stigma with this behaviour, and I am but one voice who will refuse to associate with those who exhibit it.