Trade etiquette: RESPOND if you're not interested.

[tekniq]

I disagree. Someone offered me 50K for a fungi and got mad that I didn't reply. I'm pretty sure he knows the going price of the fungi, so I don't reply back to egregious offers...he should know better. If I feel so offended, sometimes I'll just respond with an LOL.

[Khaleesi]

Originally Posted by tekniq [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree. Someone offered me 50K for a fungi and got mad that I didn't reply. I'm pretty sure he knows the going price of the fungi, so I don't reply back to egregious offers...he should know better. If I feel so offended, sometimes I'll just respond with an LOL.

You'd fail at customer relations. Great business men can talk through any situation. Ignoring someone or being rude in return means either you aren't good at what you do, or you have nothing of interest to offer.

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To this I say - I have been selling the JC items at the exact same price point for several years. If you are paying 275pp, 300pp, it is because you are not aware of the market. Consumers keep the market in check.

Ignorant consumers is a massive problem in the marketplace both in-game and real world. And can you blame them? With the advent of the internet, the ease of access to find yourself buying fake, second hand or cheap products, is unavoidable.

Now add in that the game world is virtual and money is not as valued as in the real world, you have a market place of different perceptions. A lot of what you think applies in a real economy, does not have the same effect in the game world.

Point in case is your comment about how consumers keep the market in check. Have you seen the prices people pay for items that were 1/3 higher than the 'real' value? This is because they are impatient, ignorant, or can throw money away, which they wouldn't normally do.

Sellers are always going to ask extortionate prices for things, but it's the dumb buyers who set the ultimate value.


Consider the Fungi Tunic. After the King nerf, the price went up another 1/3 of it's value, from roughly 60k to 100k. Sellers do this because they consider the item more difficult to acquire. Buyers go along with this because they think it's only logical. Here's what each side fails to realize :

A) The original tunics were acquired under more favorable conditions (invis pulling). This is akin to having a gentle winter when farming. You had favorable conditions and thus reaped a good harvest. As a seller/farmer, that's a case of 'you win some, you lose some.' This should have no bearing on the market, that's expecting a long standing traditional price.

B) Sellers and buyers fall victim to this idea that the item suddenly carries more value because it's more difficult to obtain, despite it being the same item and having the same effect when using it.

C) The aspect of supply and demand is falsified here because
1. There are /were already tunics in circulation from before the nerf, this is known as aged stock. In the real world, you make every effort to shift aged stock off your shelves first and foremost to avoid risk of cost variance in the future. In the game world, not all items were bought for the purpose of reselling. Thus they have no 'owned' value and the concept of aged stock is lost on people.
2. Just because something is more difficult to obtain, does not mean it's difficult to the point where the average stock levels on the server will see a significant change - and as for this item in particular, it hasn't. EC sales have just as many Fungis now as they did before the patch.


Despite this, the price continues to be more than the item is actually worth and it's the sellers whom have dictated this, to buyers who believe it and support it by spending the asking price.

In this thread we've had people whom are in possession of aged stock, whom possibly didn't even loot it themselves (bought it cheap or got gift from friend). These same sellers will 'lol' or ignore someone requesting 50-60k for a Fungi.
Why should they now be in position to gain almost twice the item value and 100% profit for something they didn't even do? Law of averages? Luck of the draw?

Maybe, but that works both ways - stop being ignorant consumers.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Khaleesi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You'd fail at customer relations. Great business men can talk through any situation.

To people with a moral compass, this feels like a compliment.

[Yonkec]

I couldn't care less how many morons and rude assholes are on this server. You all know who you are. If you just said to yourself "hes certainly not talking about me", I am talking about you.

Honestly most people have absolutely no idea how to trade and barter here. Somewhere in the last 15 years you all went soft, being continuously stroked off by autistic auction houses and games that took messy "best in slot" loot shits all over your chests via daily missions. You have forgotten how to play a real game that has a socially based economy.

Sellers /auction an item, at a certain price. If that price is above what you wish to buy it for, try a fucking counteroffer. I have lost count of how many idiots ask the current asking price and then fuck off when I tell them. Play the game. Counteroffer with a lower price, I am ALWAYS going to accept less than the first asking price. There is ALWAYS a middle ground.

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I know many of you are trashy enough to be fans of Pawn Stars or Hardcore Pawn or whatever. I fucking am. Just pretend you are a bald obese middle aged white man who likes to play with medieval swords. It will take you far in life.

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Yonkec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I couldn't care less how many morons and rude assholes are on this server. You all know who you are. If you just said to yourself "hes certainly not talking about me", I am talking about you.

Honestly most people have absolutely no idea how to trade and barter here. Somewhere in the last 15 years you all went soft, being continuously stroked off by autistic auction houses and games that took messy "best in slot" loot shits all over your chests via daily missions. You have forgotten how to play a real game that has a socially based economy.

Sellers /auction an item, at a certain price. If that price is above what you wish to buy it for, try a fucking counteroffer. I have lost count of how many idiots ask the current asking price and then fuck off when I tell them. Play the game. Counteroffer with a lower price, I am ALWAYS going to accept less than the first asking price. There is ALWAYS a middle ground.


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I know many of you are trashy enough to be fans of Pawn Stars or Hardcore Pawn or whatever. I fucking am. Just pretend you are a bald obese middle aged white man who likes to play with medieval swords. It will take you far in life.

Fuck that. If someone wants to give me less than what I want for an item, I'm not selling it to them. If someone wants me to pay more for an item than I want to, I'm not buying it from them. I don't have time to play arbitrary haggling games where people expect to sell it for 200 so they offer it for 250. It's stupid. Conventionalized haggling is stupid. If everybody's doing it then it's pointless and you may as well skip the bullshit.

I get so tired of auctioning an item I want to get rid of for 500 plat less than it's worth just to sell it faster and having these fucking parasite career lowballers send me tells trying to get me to drop it 1k because they think I'm desperate or don't know the real price. It's already below price, get out of me you vermin swine

[Yonkec]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck that. If someone wants to give me less than what I want for an item, I'm not selling it to them. If someone wants me to pay more for an item than I want to, I'm not buying it from them. I don't have time to play arbitrary haggling games where people expect to sell it for 200 so they offer it for 250. It's stupid. Conventionalized haggling is stupid. If everybody's doing it then it's pointless and you may as well skip the bullshit.

I get so tired of auctioning an item I want to get rid of for 500 plat less than it's worth just to sell it faster and having these fucking parasite career lowballers send me tells trying to get me to drop it 1k because they think I'm desperate or don't know the real price. It's already below price, get out of me you vermin swine

Thanks for proving my first point. I guess I missed the memo where every item on this server has a hard coded price of which we are to advertise it? gg friend, may you go far in life.

[Kekephee]

Originally Posted by Yonkec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for proving my first point. I guess I missed the memo where every item on this server has a hard coded price of which we are to advertise it? gg friend, may you go far in life.

You ask me what I want for an item. I tell you. You try to give me less. I tell you I don't want less, I want the amount that I told you I want. You piss and moan and tell me HAGGLING IS THE SPIRITS OF THE GAME. I continue not wanting less for the item and knowing someone else will eventually buy it for what I do want for it and don't sell it to you.


Isn't this the kind of free market you're getting so pissy about? Don't you have just as much ability to find some sap who WILL lower his price for you as I do to find some sap who will pay more for the item?

[Yonkec]

Originally Posted by Kekephee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You ask me what I want for an item. I tell you. You try to give me less. I tell you I don't want less, I want the amount that I told you I want. You piss and moan and tell me HAGGLING IS THE SPIRITS OF THE GAME. I continue not wanting less for the item and knowing someone else will eventually buy it for what I do want for it and don't sell it to you.


Isn't this the kind of free market you're getting so pissy about? Don't you have just as much ability to find some sap who WILL lower his price for you as I do to find some sap who will pay more for the item?

One day you will realize that you are not god. Items are not worth what you think they are worth, they are worth what the highest bidder will give you. You either take the best offer you can find, or you can sit on the item until the sun burns out. The rest of this discussion is just us throwing poo.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

Originally Posted by Yonkec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I couldn't care less how many morons and rude assholes are on this server. You all know who you are. If you just said to yourself "hes certainly not talking about me", I am talking about you.

Honestly most people have absolutely no idea how to trade and barter here. Somewhere in the last 15 years you all went soft, being continuously stroked off by autistic auction houses and games that took messy "best in slot" loot shits all over your chests via daily missions. You have forgotten how to play a real game that has a socially based economy.

Sellers /auction an item, at a certain price. If that price is above what you wish to buy it for, try a fucking counteroffer. I have lost count of how many idiots ask the current asking price and then fuck off when I tell them. Play the game. Counteroffer with a lower price, I am ALWAYS going to accept less than the first asking price. There is ALWAYS a middle ground.

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I know many of you are trashy enough to be fans of Pawn Stars or Hardcore Pawn or whatever. I fucking am. Just pretend you are a bald obese middle aged white man who likes to play with medieval swords. It will take you far in life.

This. As an African-American female ordained Episcopalian minister, I have indeed found that pretending I am a bald obese middle aged white man who likes to play with swords, has more times than I can count, facilitated my ability to fulfill my duties as a pastor, and more than that, enriched my interactions with my community overall. Not just my parishioners have benefited.

God bless,
Sadre

[Rararboker]

LOL. No.