Why is Rog hide same as invis/ivu?

[thieros]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't make a lot of plat only leveling alts.

RUN TELL DAT

[kaos057]

Rogue hide/sneak was the same as invis and ivu with the slower walking. The benefit was it didnt break randomly. When SoS was added as an AA in luclin it allowed you to hide/sneak at full speed.

[4WOFURY]

Originally Posted by kaos057 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogue hide/sneak was the same as invis and ivu with the slower walking. The benefit was it didnt break randomly. When SoS was added as an AA in luclin it allowed you to hide/sneak at full speed.

This entire statement is false.

The evidence I posted shows that not only was sneak/hide better than invis/ivu in regards to what mobs could see through it, but also that the snare effect wore off through levels 51-60 gradually.

Shroud of Stealth was introduced with Planes of Power at level 63, and was an even more enhanced version of sneak/hide. With it, no classic mob period could see through hide; I remember having screen shots of sitting next to Nagafen, though those are long gone. This is irrelevant to the discussion however.

Shroud of Stealth

[SyanideGas]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no question it's wrong. Plane of Hate being the prime example. Loathing Lichs and Scorn Banshees are the only things in Hate, excluding raid encounters, which should see rogues. Lichs still don't see us, btw, and the revs / spites absolutely should not. I can't even recommend that rogues quest their Book of Souls solo on P99, and from me that's saying alot.

I could have swore lich's could see through my hide a couple weeks ago, spites ive noticed for sure which is awk.

[4WOFURY]

Any GM/Dev thoughts on this?

[Vega]

Originally Posted by 4WOFURY [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any GM/Dev thoughts on this?

It seems like there was a thread (or multiple threads) about this in the bug section already, with people posting similar evidence. I can't find the big one at the moment, but I don't remember there being much resolution to it.

[Byrjun]

The way I understand it from evidence others have found, hide was nerfed a bit when the SoS AA was introduced to give people a reason to get that AA, people saw others complaining that mob x and mob y then saw through hide, that got extrapolated to mean that hide was the same as invis in classic, and now we have useless hide.

So now, a rogue with sneak/hide is inferior to every other class in the game who has a Ring of Shadows on them. Masters of stealth indeed.

Also barely noticed sneak allowing me to move any faster from 51-60, pretty sure that's not very accurate either.

[khanable]

Dig up more evidence and post in the bug section

[SamwiseRed]

i didnt play main rogue on live but i remember making a level 1 rogue to do CRs in the hole.

[SamwiseRed]

Rogean mained a rogue on live ask him.