Shaman questions

[purist]

I played my Troll Shaman to mid-20s before I re-rolled as Ogre and I can say that unlike on my Troll, my Ogre always got Root when tanking a mob. I never failed once and that saved my ass countless times. My Troll on the other hand would constant interrupts. I can't explain exactly how the no stun mechanic works on this server, that's just my personal anecdote if it helps you any.

And the snare necklace is wayyyyy overrated and definitely shouldn't be the basis for your Shaman's race choice. The snare % on it isn't even that good.

Go Ogre or go home.

[Reiker]

Barbarian- liked in cities, ok stats. Anyhing else?

I wouldn't make a Barbarian. Worst stats and not many benefits.

Ogre- no frontal stun ( is that really super handy or not?), good starting stats, evil ( does it make travel and any good shaman quests difficult? Like paw or such?)

Ogre is the best shaman race. They have the best stats and stun immunity is the single most OP race advantage in EverQuest. I'm not 100% sure how well it works here, but this was definitely the case on live.

Troll- good stats, regeneration( does that make a huge difference with cana?), evil ( same questions as ogre), snare necklace ( is that in game?)

Trolls are better than Barbarians but a bit overrated. The snare necklace was much better on live when the snare effect actually allowed you to kite a bit. Here it's practically useless and on both versions of EQ gets less useful as you gain levels. Regeneration is the same way, great early on, hardly noticeable later on. Trolls are a bit better than Ogres in the early levels, but I'm assuming you'll want to play until 50 and beyond. Highest racial penalty in the game is bad as well.

About being evil: it's a minor inconvenience and at times a convenience. The majority of high end dungeons in classic are situated closest to evil cities (Guk, Solb). There's really not many important quests you won't be able to complete. Honestly the worst thing you'll miss out on are the level 1-12 Qeynos newbie quests that can net the best exp in the game. Past that, not a big deal. You could complete the Paw quest even, although that's not a great shaman item.

Shamans get plate? Or chain?

Shaman are technically a chain class. However they are unique in that most of their high end armor is plate. When it comes to tradeskilled armor, banded is as far as you can go. However, Totemic, Rune Etched, and Jaundiced Bone are plate. There are some "in between" chain/plate pieces such as Rubicite and the Vindi Breastplate/Boots which shaman can use.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When it comes to tradeskilled armor, banded is as far as you can go.

What? What about ornate? What about cultural?

[Noleafclover]

Also, got to admit, 2x shrunk ogres are pretty badass.

[Alawen Everywhere]

Ogre shamans can solo a lot of higher end mobs that other shamans simply cannot.

You can step back forward to regain concentration.

[Tokum-6n0m3]

Trolls can get the Dark Elf clinging darkness necklace tho if they worship inny~

[Estu]

Noleaf: I only made the shaman relatively soon before the double exp weekend, so I couldn't tell you; it's totally possible that it was just a temporary bug and not something that had been in there for a long time.

Alawen: What is it about ogre shamen that lets them solo higher end stuff better? I'm assuming it's some kind of ogre-specific gear?

[Curmudgen]

So doesn't sound like barbarian shamans are in demand unless you really want to be good or really don't want an exp penalty.

I am curious if that snare necklace for troll is a game changer or not.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Curmudgen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So doesn't sound like barbarian shamans are in demand unless you really want to be good or really don't want an exp penalty.

I am curious if that snare necklace for troll is a game changer or not.

Barbarians have an EXP penalty, but a smaller one than ogres:

From the FAQ:
What are the experience penalties/bonuses?
By Race:
Troll -20%
Iksar -20%
Ogre -15%
Barbarian -5%
Halfling +5%

[quellren]

Barb Shaman are fine. play what you like. I rolled troll because well, my last shaman was barb and I wanted something different. True, troll regen is legendary up to about lvl 9-10 beyond that its less important as youre hp pool gets bigger. at 50 its a drop in the bucket. I'd have gone Ogre but plain and simple, I dislike the way an ogre looks in chain, and I hate Oggok.
Just for my own satisfaction, I PLed a troll shaman and a barb shaman to 35 on PEQ, measured how long it took to regen from under 10hp to full each wearing +5 regen gear (more than is possible on P99) in bearform, with regrowth on. the difference was, IMO, not that big. Certainly not game-breaking. Maybe not even enough to counterbalance the hassle of banking in Neriak, and the exp penalty. Stun immune is quite a benefit though. I wont lie. Pretty often I wish I was stun immune. I wonder if at 50+ as an ogre I'd ever wish for better regen?

As for more concrete differences: Barbs have more starting mana from a higher base wis. Canni makes maxing wisdom less important than other priest classes, so once you get a solid number (I'm gonna stop stacking at 190-200ish -maybe less as I get a better feel for it) then you can make your HP pool into a defacto mana pool. so we stack stam. Ogre is clearly gonna win this contest, but the troll has a large hp pool, and the regen+regrowth+bearform regen will go a long way to negating Canni especially until Canni IV, which takes some huge chunks of life. Barb will just have to cannibalize less, via bigger mana, or gear differently to stack stam.
In the end, playing the min/max game is much much less important than comparing say, warrior races.
Thats my 2 cents.