Nordenwatch's Guide: Rags to Riches

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who ever said that any of it was ever his to give away in the first place? Rogean pays for this server (with help from donations), and every last pixel on it is owned in the "real world" by Rogean. The only way Nordenwatch ever had the illusion of ownership over anything was because other people paid real world money for him to be able to.

In essence Rogean rolled out a giant welcome mat and said "please come have fun on this server that I own but am generously providing for you to enjoy". Nordenwatch came, had fun, then took a crap on that welcome mat on his way out.

Rogean has established a punishment system for the people that choose to do this and Nordenwatch has been punished. Unfortunately the punishment does almost nothing to the player that is cashing-out and never returning and seriously bones the person buying the stuff. The prescribed punishment relies on the idea that a buyer will weigh the consequence and then not purchase items. But we are human, and everyone thinks they are special, and it won't happen to them....Meanwhile Nordenwatch is stacking paper.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Both sides understand each other; it's just that no one is going to be convinced.

The people arguing for Nordenwatch aren't going to be convinced, and the people arguing otherwise aren't going to budge. At the end of the day he made a dick move; there's nothing that can really done about it that hasn't been done. The temptation he faced seeing $20K is certainly understandable, but it still makes him an ass to cash out. The only currency left to traffic in here is respect, and it obviously doesn't mean a whole lot to some of the people here.

I do find it interesting the lengths Nordenwatch is going through to justify his actions to the rest of us despite having no stake left here.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Ainwein [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're an idiot.

I saw someone throw around a figure of 20k. Let's assume that's true. With that amount of cash I figure this guy can take 4-5 trips anywhere he wants in the world. You're seriously saying he should forgo this, so on his deathbed he can say "Man, I'm so glad I was respectful of all the white knights on p1999 5 decades ago!"

Think how ridiculous this would sound to anyone who isn't thousands of posts deep into the echo chamber that is the p1999 forums. Give him shit all you want, but he's the only person in this thread who I'd actually consider hiring because he's at least capable of acting rationally. This bullshit altruism (read: jealousy) is hilarious. Seriously, go print this whole thing out and go ask people if they'd give up 20k to not piss off some internet nerds they've never met.

But please, continue making assumptions about his role in the real world based on how he played this stupid game.

Finally. Someone with a brain.

[casdegere]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Finally. Someone with a brain.

Originally Posted by Ainwein [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're an idiot.

I saw someone throw around a figure of 20k. Let's assume that's true. With that amount of cash I figure this guy can take 4-5 trips anywhere he wants in the world. You're seriously saying he should forgo this, so on his deathbed he can say "Man, I'm so glad I was respectful of all the white knights on p1999 5 decades ago!"

Think how ridiculous this would sound to anyone who isn't thousands of posts deep into the echo chamber that is the p1999 forums. Give him shit all you want, but he's the only person in this thread who I'd actually consider hiring because he's at least capable of acting rationally. This bullshit altruism (read: jealousy) is hilarious. Seriously, go print this whole thing out and go ask people if they'd give up 20k to not piss off some internet nerds they've never met.

But please, continue making assumptions about his role in the real world based on how he played this stupid game.

Apparently people with honor and having a conscience are trumped by people with balls to break the rules and make some dough at the expense of others. M I jealous? Saddened is more like it that people like these Douche bags are looked up to at all. Selfish, self absorbed bastards who do not have the ability or patience to just play the game. They gotta be better and special beings draped in gold for all to look upon in awe. Pathetic...Rags to riches due to an ability to dispense excess cash for pixels for increased profits. There are still alot of people who avoided the bans and who still 2box.

I don't care a whit about what he does in the real world. Such does not apply to what he and others did to the server. Well, it was fun right? As long as they were kicking it bigtime, what did it matter for the economy or the server.

[Ainwein]

Originally Posted by casdegere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently people with honor and having a conscience are trumped by people with balls to break the rules and make some dough at the expense of others. M I jealous? Saddened is more like it that people like these Douche bags are looked up to at all. Selfish, self absorbed bastards who do not have the ability or patience to just play the game. They gotta be better and special beings draped in gold for all to look upon in awe. Pathetic...Rags to riches due to an ability to dispense excess cash for pixels for increased profits. There are still alot of people who avoided the bans and who still 2box.

I don't care a whit about what he does in the real world. Such does not apply to what he and others did to the server. Well, it was fun right? As long as they were kicking it bigtime, what did it matter for the economy or the server.

Please explain to me what effect this had on the economy? And how was this made at the expense of others? The only argument you can possibly make is that you're mad because BUYERS were able to improve their character quicker than you were. Oh no. Sky is falling. Sure as fuck don't want that happening!

I think the correlation between people raging about this and people who could really use 20k is probably 1.

[alaiwy0503]

Originally Posted by Ainwein [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please explain to me what effect this had on the economy? And how was this made at the expense of others? The only argument you can possibly make is that you're mad because BUYERS were able to improve their character quicker than you were. Oh no. Sky is falling. Sure as fuck don't want that happening!

I think the correlation between people raging about this and people who could really use 20k is probably 1.

Haha, this! I promise you the people enraged by this also LOSE THEIR SHIT when somebody gets PL'd in Unrest. That is a 1:1 ratio as well I can PROMISE you.

[casdegere]

Originally Posted by alaiwy0503 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haha, this! I promise you the people enraged by this also LOSE THEIR SHIT when somebody gets PL'd in Unrest. That is a 1:1 ratio as well I can PROMISE you.

The effect was higher prices and content that has been locked out for alot of people due to repeaters who are on that shit like white on rice 24/7 due to the fact that REAL money was being made over it. You will see a drop in prices as people will not be able to easily hit up their Credit card to buy a Fungi. There are SO many out there right now, you will see. Were they half the price in 2012? (I can't remember exactly)

Personally, I don't care if someone PLs or buys an Epic at level 1. Those with mega plat will only be buying really high end shit from one another as people who actually just play the game can't get to the content easily. I personally don't have a wish to play 24/7 so I find fun stuff to do with by buds and we simply enjoy the game. When we see people in high end gear, we admire it but we're not willing to pay for it, it defeats the purpose of the game and the server.

To simplify this into those who do RMT (the bad mamojammer mofos) and those who don't (the herd) is kind of funny considering this game is 15 years old and free to play.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Ainwein [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the correlation between people raging about this and people who could really use 20k is probably 1.

^

Someone show me a victim who wasn't complicit in this, please.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Ainwein [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please explain to me what effect this had on the economy? And how was this made at the expense of others? The only argument you can possibly make is that you're mad because BUYERS were able to improve their character quicker than you were. Oh no. Sky is falling. Sure as fuck don't want that happening!

I think the correlation between people raging about this and people who could really use 20k is probably 1.

Ill explain it to you; the man selling platinum to characters in game is also selling items in game.... So he over prices his stuff to the point only an RMT'er could afford to buy from him. Thus further entrenching his tunnel rat scheme and further perpetuating his RMTing.

It was an endless cycle of madness, the saddest part about all of this is; the loser still lies about how much they made and continues to defend themselves on a game they are completely banned from now.

Time to go outside and start your life!

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Ainwein [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please explain to me what effect this had on the economy? And how was this made at the expense of others? The only argument you can possibly make is that you're mad because BUYERS were able to improve their character quicker than you were. Oh no. Sky is falling. Sure as fuck don't want that happening!

By increasing demand RMT increases the price of items, thus making it harder for ordinary players to get them. This is pretty obvious.

Originally Posted by Ainwein

I think the correlation between people raging about this and people who could really use 20k is probably 1.

No, I make far more than that every year. You may find this difficult to believe, but not everyone likes to move to the top by stepping on other people.